Albanians are your brothers ;)

[Grace]

Yes, I know the 'hate' and selective history, but genetically speaking there is very little difference. This is not to say that Fallmerayer is right but still we probably came at the same time and as you know many Albanians settled in Greece. But then, many Greeks might have settled in Albania long before that:





We'll leave the "but we're better" for another time.

[Tsontos]

I dont get what is your "thesis" here. Please elaborate.

[Makedonia25]

Originally Posted by Grace

Yes, I know the 'hate' and selective history, but genetically speaking there is very little difference. This is not to say that Fallmerayer is right but still we probably came at the same time and as you know many Albanians settled in Greece. But then, many Greeks might have settled in Albania long before that:





We'll leave the "but we're better" for another time.

Grace, I understand your PCA plot.. I've done plenty of Chemometrics hehehe.. But I haven't read anything on Fallmerayer.. What kind of genetics is he basing this on??

[Tsontos]

Fallmerayer lived and wrote about Greeks in the 19th century. He based his theses on linguistics (mostly toponym etymologies) and not genetics.

[Drama]

Originally Posted by Tsontos

Fallmerayer lived and wrote about Greeks in the 19th century. He based his theses on linguistics (mostly toponym etymologies) and not genetics.

The thesis of the Austrian pseudo-scientist Fallmerayer are not accepted in Germany/Austria.. most of all because the Nazis adopted this theories.

A lot of German (and other western) Universities disproved his thesis. He is also seen as a Pan-Slavist here in Germany which his theories, based on pure interpretation (no evidence, just his own thoughts), were exploited in the "Third Reich" (Nazi-Germany) Fallmerayers theories, in the Third Reich were seen as a reason why to invade Greece, although they loved the ancient Greek civilization..

Here you have a statement of the University of Innsbruck (Austria)

http://www.uibk.ac.at/alte-geschicht...llmerayer.html

Original:

In seinen wissenschaftlichen Arbeiten vertrat Fallmerayer die heute widerlegte Ansicht, daß das alte Hellenentum im Mittelalter ausgerottet wurde und die Neugriechen meist slawisch-albanischer Abstammung seien.

Translation:

In his scientific work,which now has been disproved, Fallmerayer held the view that the the old Hellenes (or old Hellenicity) were exterminated over the medieval times and that the Neo-Hellenes are of Albanian-Slavic heritage.

(sorry if it's in bad english)

[Tsontos]

Fallmerayer's work was immediately disproved and disowned even by the Bavarian Historical Institute he was associated with in the 1830s. Today his thesis is only of historical importance given its damage on the philhellene movement at the time however it is scientifically obesolete today.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Grace

Yes, I know the 'hate' and selective history, but genetically speaking there is very little difference. This is not to say that Fallmerayer is right but still we probably came at the same time and as you know many Albanians settled in Greece. But then, many Greeks might have settled in Albania long before that:





We'll leave the "but we're better" for another time.

Grace , I know that we're very similar geneticaly , because we're both mostly of "native" balkanian stock.

Recent scholars consider the homeplace of the proto-Greeks in East Romania , meanwhile put the homeplace of the Albanians in western Dacia (western Romania).

And personally I don't have any reason to "hate" the Albanians. One thing is having different opinions and confronting them and another thing is "hating and argueing".

[Grace]

<< And personally I don't have any reason to "hate" the Albanians.

kudos to you. But you have seen the "Albanians have no history," "they came with the Turks or in 1043, thus they must leave," 'gypsies,' "North is Serbs, south is Greek" (kinda funny especially coming from the latecomer Serbs ) etc etc. They should ease up on Albanians. We're trying, and after falling have hit every branch so far. Sadly no one occupied us after WWII and we didn't get a Tito.

Fallmerayer thesis is funny to tease some guys, but I don't know much about him.

[Drama]

Originally Posted by Grace

<< And personally I don't have any reason to "hate" the Albanians.

kudos to you. But you have seen the "Albanians have no history," "they came with the Turks or in 1043, thus they must leave," 'gypsies,' "North is Serbs, south is Greek" (kinda funny especially coming from the latecomer Serbs ) etc etc. They should ease up on Albanians. We're trying, and after falling have hit every branch so far. Sadly no one occupied us after WWII and we didn't get a Tito.

Fallmerayer thesis is funny to tease some guys, but I don't know much about him.

Hello Grace... check my post above..

[Grace]

first, the fact that Hitler cited him doesn't mean much. He did it to demoralize you and he would have cited Einstein if it helped him. A lot of other people were surprised at they too as well, you know the bandits, the Turkish habits, the Albanians dress and the darker skin. But they had based their ideas on what they thought Greeks once looked.

To add to my previous post on why the E3 line might now show as much: Albanians also have a strong J2 line and then a mix of other types. In Albania probably the J2 etc fill the space when the E3 is weaker.