Albanians are your brothers ;)

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

Albanians are probably a mixture of Illyrians and Dacians (Thracians) at least linguistically, and have lived north of the Greeks longer than any other group (accept maybe for Greeks and Southern Italians and Sicilians). So yes, they are probably the most "alike" in many respects.

to give some evidence on what chicagogeorge said:

Watch the mess and migrations that the Celts & Germanic tribes caused to the Dacians and it's results , back in the 3rd century BC:

1) http://www.eliznik.org.uk/EastEurope...s-map/3-bc.htm

2) http://www.eliznik.org.uk/EastEurope...s-map/2-bc.htm

Interestingly we have Dacians in south Illyria !!

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by Andrew

to give some evidence on what chicagogeorge said:

Watch the mess and migrations that the Celts & Germanic tribes caused to the Dacians and it's results , back in the 3rd century BC:

1) http://www.eliznik.org.uk/EastEurope...s-map/3-bc.htm

2) http://www.eliznik.org.uk/EastEurope...s-map/2-bc.htm

Interestingly we have Dacians in south Illyria !!

along with the maps that you provided, here is a very convincing argument that the Albanians may possibly be more Dacian than Illyrian. Again, the fact that modern Albanian is Satem as was ancient Dacian and unlike Illyrian which was Centum....


My only question is how different are the Dacians than the Thracians I always thought they that the Dacians were a northern branch of the Thracians.??

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

My only question is how different are the Dacians than the Thracians I always thought they that the Dacians were a northern branch of the Thracians.??

Most scholars see the Dacians as "northern Thracians" yes. don't forget that the term Thracians is how the Greeks named them ...because of their "redish-blond" hair (color of the fire : πυρρός , color of incandescent carbon = Θραξ).

We donìt even know if all the Thracians were one linguistic group. The never were a united nation (exception the Odryssian kingdom , but it didn't included ALL the Thracians) and we don't know the exact relationship with the Moesians , Paeonians , Dacians , Dardanians.

All this people have left little linguistic evidence and we are more trapped , because we know them fro mthe greek sources...and the Greeks named "Thracians" who ever dwelt North East of them and "Illyrians" who ever dwelt North West of them.

For example , for the ancient Greeks the Dardanians were Illyrians , for modern scholars they were so until 1960 , after that they are seeing mostly like Thracians.

The truth is that we can only make "hypothesis".

1) Were the Illyrians one linguistic group that reached from Albania to Slovenia ??
2) What were the exact borders between Illyrians and Thracians in the central balkans ??
3) Instead of the classic balkan linguistic "bipartition" Illyrian-Thracians (West-East) is it more suitable to talk about linguistic "tripartition" :

West: Illyrians & Libournians (Veneti)
Central: Dardanians , Paeonians , Moesians
East: Thracians & Dacians

4) What is the exact relation between Dardanians and Dardanelia (Trojans) ??
5) Wha tis the exact relation between Moesians in Central Balkans and Mysians in Asia Minor ??
6) Among the Thracians do we have balkan remnants ("pockets") of the IE "anatolians" ??
Krestonians and Bottians are perfect candidates : About the first Herodotus tells us that their language was different from all the other "Thracians" , and about the second we know that they worshipped the double ax symbol and that's why were considered by Strabo as Minoic colonists from Crete , but the double ax was a common symbol in all the anatolians (Lydians included) and the basic river of Bottia was and still is called Lydias.

[YaunaTakabara]

Originally Posted by Grace

Yes, I know the 'hate' and selective history, but genetically speaking there is very little difference. This is not to say that Fallmerayer is right but still we probably came at the same time and as you know many Albanians settled in Greece. But then, many Greeks might have settled in Albania long before that:

Greeks & Albanians are in the Mediterranean quadrant, the Slavo-Maks pretty much in the Slavic one. How did those Fyro-propagandists conclude they're the "older genetic stratum"?