Arvanites the campaigners of Hellenism

[Draco]

According to the Arvanites of Greece themselves, they are Tosks (=Illyrianized Greeks from Northern Epirus). They claim they are totally unrelated to the Albanians/Illyrians/Ghegs.

[Hellas7]

Tosks do look different from Ghegs. I always ask an Albanian what he is (they are surprised and usually a good conversation starter) I have met mostly Ghegs. Tosks tend to look much more like Greeks. IMO they are a mixture of Greek and Illyrian. (makes sense as that is where the two people met)

[Megale]

Originally Posted by Hellas7

Tosks do look different from Ghegs. I always ask an Albanian what he is (they are surprised and usually a good conversation starter) I have met mostly Ghegs. Tosks tend to look much more like Greeks. IMO they are a mixture of Greek and Illyrian. (makes sense as that is where the two people met)

Also behavior wise Ghegs are known to be more violent than the Tosks, example is that most of the Albanians in Kosovo are Ghegs.

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Draco

According to the Arvanites of Greece themselves, they are Tosks (=Illyrianized Greeks from Northern Epirus). They claim they are totally unrelated to the Albanians/Illyrians/Ghegs.

Yeah Draco i know the position of the filogreek romantic Arvanites.And there was another position quite popular among Arvanites(and among many Albanian important politicians as well) at the begining of the last century,saying that Greece and Albania should unite because of their pelasgian common ancestours.But these "theories" are just fairy tales to justificate the present cohabitation between people coming from different nations.In brief Arvanites in the southern regions of Greece are just Albanian emigrants,the other living in epir are autoctonus Albanians,now hellenisated.

[Mygdonia]

Bullshit.

They don't share the same blood as they look nothing like Albanians.

[edessa]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Yeah Draco i know the position of the filogreek romantic Arvanites.And there was another position quite popular among Arvanites(and among many Albanian important politicians as well) at the begining of the last century,saying that Greece and Albania should unite because of their pelasgian common ancestours.But these "theories" are just fairy tales to justificate the present cohabitation between people coming from different nations.In brief Arvanites in the southern regions of Greece are just Albanian emigrants,the other living in epir are autoctonus Albanians,now hellenisated.

So the whole southern balkans have been hellenised...from the slavs to the albanians...but there is no such thing as greeks today and they are nothing like the greeks of the past (according to the misohellenes)....soooo one little question: how could these people have been hellenised if the hellenic race supposedly doesn't exist?

[olvios]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Yeah Draco i know the position of the filogreek romantic Arvanites.And there was another position quite popular among Arvanites(and among many Albanian important politicians as well) at the begining of the last century,saying that Greece and Albania should unite because of their pelasgian common ancestours.But these "theories" are just fairy tales to justificate the present cohabitation between people coming from different nations.In brief Arvanites in the southern regions of Greece are just Albanian emigrants,the other living in epir are autoctonus Albanians,now hellenisated.

Ancient epirotes were Greeks,even if Albanians were related to Illyrians they would have nothing to do with Epirus.Albanians seem more likely to be related to Dacians or Northern thracians.

[Hellas7]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Yeah Draco i know the position of the filogreek romantic Arvanites.And there was another position quite popular among Arvanites(and among many Albanian important politicians as well) at the begining of the last century,saying that Greece and Albania should unite because of their pelasgian common ancestours.But these "theories" are just fairy tales to justificate the present cohabitation between people coming from different nations.In brief Arvanites in the southern regions of Greece are just Albanian emigrants,the other living in epir are autoctonus Albanians,now hellenisated.

Yes, and we know the position of Albanians. Everybody Is Albanian. Period.

Nobody could be Greek. Just cause they share the same lands, speak the same language and identify as such, all that means is that some evil small higher echeleon of people Hellenized them.

[Draco]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

filogreek romantic Arvanites

If you consider such "mystic" views about claimed ancestry so dubious, why do you resort to such views when dealing with the Greeks of Northern Epirus (and the Himariots in particular)? Do you not see the parallels between the Arvanite Greeks' version events and your idea that the Greeks of Northern Epirus are "really" Albanians who were compelled to adopt Greek as their native language by an evil Orthodox Christian conspiracy?

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Draco

If you consider such "mystic" views about claimed ancestry so dubious, why do you resort to such views when dealing with the Greeks of Northern Epirus (and the Himariots in particular)? Do you not see the parallels between the Arvanite Greeks' version events and your idea that the Greeks of Northern Epirus are "really" Albanians who were compelled to adopt Greek as their native language by an evil Orthodox Christian conspiracy?

Were did i said that Draco?!
If you mean Himariots then i agree but they are only a little part of your minority here.And a paralel between Avanites and Himariots would be,at least,disrespectful toward the first ones,because they mixed up their identity with religion and they losed it,instead Himariots know very well they identity but they are just selling it.