Continuity of Greek people through centuries

[Lakonian]

I think you all need to seperate Hellenism from Greek romoi.

Its evident in the Byzantine era there was constant struggle between Hellenics and the rest of the empire...sas parakalio pethia...do not confuse the continue of our language (even that has changed from ancient ), with human thought. Hellenism is a way of life, not the genetic code. When you take away customs altar language, distort the system of ones nation it no longer can be attributed to the same class simply because the same people dwell there, not that can be totaly proven anyway.


One simple question...why is struggle recorded, and people say that christianity was embraced by the Hellenes? Is there some sort of denial going on here. And if its a case of what hapened , happened, well then accept that Hellenes no longer exist, we are "Greeks" now.

But there is no constant there, its stopped, a dust storm was kicked up, when the dust settled, we delt with what he had.

Ofcourse the language survived, before the Byzantine empire most of the known world knew the Hellenic language. And its influence is evident in almost every language spoken today.

[Bardas]

Lakonian, I’m not too sure if you even read what I posted but I think I provided ample examples and references showing the continuance of the Greek ethnos and identity, especially during the Byzantine years. I disagree with your assertion that Hellenism is a way of life specific to the ancient era. Especially amongst contemporary historians, the terms Hellenic and Hellenism have now become wider to describe the Greek ethnos (including language and culture) throughout our three epochs: Ancient, Byzantine and Modern. Examples:

Early/Middle Byzantine

The Times World History Third Editon’s chronological chart states:
610 Accession of East Roman Emperor Heraclius; beginning of Hellenisation of (East) Roman Empire, henceforward known as Byzantine Empire.

Later Byzantine

The court of the despots at Mistras [c.1410] had already attracted scholars and artists, who created a vibrant centre of Byzantine and Hellenic culture. Having been a teacher in the capital, Plethon brought this expertise to the Peloponnese. More than other philosophers, he cherished the notion that fifteenth-century Greek scholars embodied Hellenic wisdom and that it could serve a practical purpose.
Judith Herrin; Byzantium: The Surprising Life of a Medieval Empire, 2007 pp293-4

Modern Greek

At this time (1905) it was Lambros Koromylos, the Greek consul general at Salonika, who directed the whole secret organizations of agents and bands upholding Hellenism against the Bulgars.
Britannica Encyclopedia: Macedonian Question p512 Vol 14

And as for the question of conflict between “Roman” Christians and “Greek” pagans, that only was a contentious issue in the early years of Byzantiun. Much of it had to do with the imperial authority, which was still “Roman”, so to forge a unitary Roman and Christian identity for the empire. Even so it’s a fact that the Byzantines continued to study and revere the Classics, and most importantly were aware of their continuance with the Ancient Greeks.

[Ehetlaios]

Not through this again...

Btw, welcome Bardas, I am sure we're gonna have many fights in the future.

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Ehetlaios

Not through this again...

Btw, welcome Bardas, I am sure we're gonna have many fights in the future.

nah...what for re. Whatever keeps them snoozing.

[Demetrius Doukas]

http://www.krassanakis.gr/greece.htm

[TallOne]

Hi guys,

I have a question.

Were the ancient Greeks fairer than the modern Greeks?

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by TallOne

Hi guys,

I have a question.

Were the ancient Greeks fairer than the modern Greeks?

Who were the ancient greeks Tall one ??

Ancient Greeks = pre-Greeks (Aegeans came from 8000 BC to 3000 BC) + proto-Greeks (IndoEuropean speaking greeks came 2000-1800 BC)

any way take a look here :
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/for...s-fyromer.html

Watch all the discusion between me and Orphic ..

[kostas4]

My grandmother told me that it was strange when a Greek person was going to marry a Turk in Constantinople. Of course, religion played a basic role here, that's why Greeks were not assimilated too much through the Ottoman empire. BTW, mixes is a logical standard everywhere, in different percents.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by kostas4

My grandmother told me that it was strange when a Greek person was going to marry a Turk in Constantinople. Of course, religion played a basic role here, that's why Greeks were not assimilated too much through the Ottoman empire. BTW, mixes is a logical standard everywhere, in different percents.

Yes I agree with you that the Greek nation once formed it tended (and that means often but not always) to be Endogamic. From antiquity to now. Hammond refering to the ancient nomadic tribes of the Balkans in History of Macedonia Vol II (paragraph the phyletic organization of the Macedonians and their neighbors) starts by saing that the small tribe was the elementary unit of that manner of life and it maintained it's identity by endogamy. ... Reading the beautiful book that Kostas68 has found online about the nations inhabiting geographic Macedonia in 1831 , the french counsulant of Thessaloniki (M. Cousineri) states : " in the county Greeks and Bulgarians tend to live in different villages and in the Cities they cohabited , but rarely intermarried or associated".In my hometown (Alexandreia Emathias one old word "heavily insolent" was the word tourkanakatos (τουρκανάκατος) meaning "mixed with turk".

[Bardas]

Medieval and Modern Greek by Robert Browning - 1983




The Modern Greek Language in Its Relation to Ancient Greek - Page 20
by Edmund Martin Geldart - Greek language, Modern - 1870




In the Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon - Page 78
by Eugene N. Borza - History - 1990




The Westminster Review - Page 110
by John Chapman, Charles William Wason - Literature, Modern - 1903