Is there anyone Greek? - Who is left?

[Reaper]

I would like to start an official thread to see who is claimed by other nations, having been seen by ourselves and indeed most of the actual people involved as Greek during their own lifetimes.

Ancient:

Alexander the Great - FYROMIAN/ Albanian.
Ptolomy, Aristotle, Philip II - basically any Greek Macedonian - FYROMIAN.
Cleopatra - Black African/ FYROMIAN.
Socrates - Black African.

Greek Revolution:

Basically every Klepht from the Pelops, and many others - Arvanites or to the Albanians ... - Pure Albanians:

Here are the ones on Wiki although unfortunately other more famous patriots of the revolution are claimed:

* Andreas Miaoulis, admiral and later politician - Albanian.
* Markos Botsaris, leader of Souliotes, defender of Messolonghi - Albanian.
* Laskarina Bouboulina, the only female member of Filiki Etaireia- Albanian.
* Nikolaos Krieziotis, leader of the Greek Revolution in Euboea- Albanian.
* Georgios Kountouriotis[15], leader of Hydra, admiral and briefly prime minister - Albanian.
* Xadziyiannis Mexis, leader of Spetses - Albanian.

Modern:

Giorgos Zorbas - FYROMian (AKA Georgi Chobra) (lol).
Pyrros Dimas - Albanian.

Who else is claimed by other nations?

[Euklid]

One thing is for sure, mate.

The Arvanites originally were Albanians.

And some of our Uprising leaders were indeed Arvanites.

These people were not what you call an Albanian nowadays. They share common origins but they have separated themselves from the Albanians.

Sure thing is that originally they were not Greeks, they became Greeks in the process.

So yes, some important figures of our independence were indeed non-Greeks ancestorily speaking.

Even Lord Byron an English man faught for ther Hellenic cause, and we still pay him tribute. They same we do for the rest non-Greeks.

However this does not mean that the Albanians can claim them as their own, cause simply they; the Arvanites do not allow it, because simply they do not feel as an Albanian feels.

It is very similar with the Hesiod story of Greko and Latin. They have the same father, but the ones that followed Hellenic manners came to be distinguished as Greeks while the rest who followed Etruscan or whatever manners came to be called as Latins.

Same goes for the Arvanites and the Albanians. The Arvanites followed Greek manners and the Albs followed Ottoman manners. Due to the lack of a centralized powerful Force.

[Reaper]

I am confused then after you said this. You see these Arvanites, I thought they originally came from Albania, inter-married with Greeks and became Greek in name, blood and culture so therefore, they are Greeks. Therefore these people are Greek, just as the slavs who settled in the peloponese have been lost, so were they. Throughout the War of independance greeks were fighting Albanians in the Peloponese, I am sure, if these people even felt any connection with Albania it was slight to say the least. These people had been Greek for centuries in some cases as most Arvanites came over early in the dark ages. So therefore, As the topic displays, this thread is about who people claim is not Greek, not who might have once been foreign 12 generations down the line before becoming Greek. Modern day Albanians claim these leaders of the Revolution indescriminately, even though these people became Greek in blood, culture ect and by the time of the revolution were definately Greeks. Even Kolokotronis has been claimed and he has no relation to these people. This is a problem.

The reason I started this thread was to identify who we have left and who has been claimed so I can draw up a list of how Hellenic history and culture is being undermined by Slav/ Albanian / Turkish nationals.

[Spartan]

Socrates- By the Blacks claiming since he was born even Africa(the continent and in a Greek colony) that he was black!(of course as we all know everyone from that continent is black)

[Reaper]

OK, added thanks!

[Euklid]

Reaper, why are you confused man?, we say exactly the same thing.

[Reaper]

Ok, I see you have edited, it wasn't 100% clear before what you said file mou.

[Euklid]

Yap, ok sorry bout that.

[tieyetos]

the only thing slavs/pseudomacedonians brought to macedonia is simply stupidity.even the gypsies have more prite than the pseudomacedonians. gypsies know their haritage n do not steal someone elses as their owen.

[Reaper]

I also admire the Italians for not claiming Archimedes and others like him as Italians.