Deniers all over the place

[Euklid]

Originally Posted by DumbTeen

Noemon - I really don't care, the Greeks of today have nothing in common with the Ancient Greeks whose thought and culture affect Rome and Europe so much. Ancient Greek very different from modern Greek, no one can read it without linguistic training, and, given that the Ancient Greeks were pagan, as far as I am concerned every nation in the world can claim the legacy of the ancient Greeks just as well as any other (especially those who read it first, Europe and Muslim countries who transmitted Greek texts). There is no more reason to revere the Greeks today than there is to praise the modern Egyptians for the pyramids they inherited.

Greece, indeed the entire Balkans, are just not relevant to what we have come to mean by "Europe", which is wealthy, democratic Western Europe. I will no doubt come across a snob and unfair, but I wouldn't say this if the Balkans were so needlessly difficult. The achievements of the ancients does not forgive the moderns (whose names they happen to share) for their antics.

Noemon - I really don't care, the Greeks of today have nothing in common with the Ancient Greeks whose thought and culture affect Rome and Europe so much. Ancient Greek very different from modern Greek,

False Modern Greek is the same as Ancient Greek, i read them perfectly well without any training of any sort. It is you who needs translation not the Greeks.

no one can read it without linguistic training, and, given that the Ancient Greeks were pagan, as far as I am concerned every nation in the world can claim the legacy of the ancient Greeks just as well as any other (especially those who read it first,

Ofc, you are british, you are the inventors of this theory, cause simply you have stolen half of Greece's antics and project that you protect them better than the Greeks and various crap like that in order to re-assure your existences that you are truly noble and cultured like the Ancient Greeks while the Modern ones are such vile, ofc that is the paramyths your governments feed you to make you feel good about yourselves.

The culture of Ancient Ellas belongs to the Ellines first, and then to the rest of the world.

(Europe and Muslim countries who transmitted Greek texts).

Because we gave the texts to them for them to be translated and become cultured. That does not mean that we did not keep the texts ourselves the original ones. Check the Marcian Library which was set up in Venice by a Greek(Bessarion) in the 15 th century, check up the Athos Holy Mountain and its libraries, where all the originals are still kept. You truly give way too much credit to your existences, and none has a trouble with you doing that, but while you are at it, you do not deny others peoples identity to reassure your own, that straight up makes you pathetic. You say the Greek affected Rome and Europe so much and blah and blah while the Greeks today do not affect, well the Greek formed the European/Western thought and there is not anything more to add on our positions. No country has ever affected the world as much as Greece has affected the world by actually producing all that is necessary for a society to function in every single aspect. There isnt anything for us Modern ones to add, and for no other for that matter.

I can easily communicate with a Greek of the Classical, Archaic, Early and Late Byzantine Eras, my literature has been unbroken and testified unbroken not just orally but on paper, maty. So, whatever you English might invent to reassure your nobility falls into thin air. The Egyptian paradigm is false cause simply the Egyptians do not speak Egyptian anymore, they cannot read them, on the contrary my language is exactly the same as that of Classical Ellas and the Common Era of Alexander the Great, in fact if he was alive today we would be communicating perfectly with one another both orally and on paper, my alphabet is identical, the grammar structure is identical with 2 or 3 minor modifications, cause it has been simplified as it is natural, eg, we used to have singular number, plural and dual, the dual was dropped. That is basically the largest difference that the language has experienced ever since the Classical Era, and the drop took place during Alexander's Era and his Common Language, which i speak perfectly at the moment, cause you see when Alexander conguered the world he standardized all the dialects into one which he named Common, or Koine in Greek. The differences that the language experienced during this transition to Alexanders Koine is larger than the difference the language has exprerienced ever since Alexander to today. Do you catch the drift or do you need illustrations? In short, i use the Common Standardized language that Alexander the Great standardized. And the works of literature that we have produced and kept ever since then to today are all existent and alive and testament to our existence throughout the ages. Our contributions in setting up libraries, schools, academies, translation centers all around Italy in the Middle Ages, and teaching Europe Plato is more testament to our continued unbreakable existence. So, whatever excuse you might invent to uplift your beings as cultured, noble and hereditors of our culture more than ourselves truly shows the complexes of the people who express such views.

And lets not even compare your society with ours, the troubles the English thugs create all around the Med, the drunks on your streets, your levels of literacy and mathematics, your levels of school drop outs, with that of the Greece, currently your Unis have more foreigners than English. And in your prestigious Universities your participation is even smaller. And lets not mention your civil liberties, your system of education and such.

Greece has a welfare state of Free Education at all levels, Unis and even elementary schools are political asylums by default, in your country if a citizen farts the governemnt can sue you for farting in a public space and they also have evidence on camera. They control you from all sides, you actually have no liberties at all. On the contrary, the Greeks are free from their government, free from Western poltical correctness, they are active participants in the political life, in your country people do not even vote, let alone contribute their thoughts in the parliament.

Your media has been dealing with Madlen for a month, while telling you nothing about World news. Yes, indeed, all the culture of the World and the nobility of the Ancient Greeks lies in western Europe, get a grip on yourselves and un trip from the Matrix. And stop spewing bullshit about people you have no idea of.

People can just not swallow the fact that the Greeks are still present cause that really stamps down their own existential realities. Europe calls the Arabs vile and such, however the Arabs were much more open to the Greek studies and took them in many centruries before the Europeans actually came out of their caves, again through the Greek educational institutions of the Middle-Ages.

You world is really not that magic Alice, your Tescos, Asdas, skunk, LSD, mushrooms, and underground Hollywood is the true entertainment and culture of the English public at this very moment.

Please go ahead and compare the lives of an English man, with that of a Spartan, or a Cretan or an Italian or a Balkanian. Life is not as you think it is in your little boxes you call houses, that are rounded up and built at the same pattern in order to make you all feel that your belong on the same taxis, while property is almost always on LEASE and never on SALE(you cant even own property in England, and get to bow in front of a queen still), while the LAW protects the foreign corporations more than it protects the very same people of the nation.

[Spartan]

Very well put Euklid! The English surely have created their own little version of reality and spread it around the world. Of course that was when they were a power! Today they are nothing but lackeys of the Americans and agree and support everything the U.S does just to make themselves feel as if they still have some power in the world.

The rest of the worlds reality is much different than theirs and they can not realize this since their mentality is stuck in the 1700's, the time of their ultimate pinacle. This of course is just a generalization and there are some Brits who do not conform to that mentality.

[Truth Bearer]

dumb teen is just that stupid.I bet you he isn't a pom(English) I bet you he's a Balkanite living either GB or in the Balkans and pretending to be a pom.It gives them better credibility potraying English,French,Germans or Yanks.I have not met ONE Englishman who believes that we are not connected to the ancient Greeks through all my travels all over the world only our fellow Balkanites e.g Turks,Albanians,fyromians or Bulgarians have ever questioned our heritage.So Euklid please don't get sucked in by a cryfo Balkanite....

[Lakonian]

I have much respect for the renaissance England. They gave credibility to the Greeks for what they knew, they weaved our history when they spoke of it as if they read out a poem.

They where one of the 3 countries next to Hellas who conquered the known world.

Alas, they are no longer who they used to be spiritualy just like us Hellenes.

Saying we gave everything is a very selfish call, although its true, it doesnt justify who we are today. I dont care how Greek you think you are.

Overall, well done cousin. When i see you liberate your words like this, i feel more comfortable calling you a Spartan. You yoga lover

I love ya re.

[Euklid]

Continuation, This is the Turkish Cid:

Originally Posted by Euklid

This topic is useless and empty.

Originally Posted by Cid

Yes you have said that several times now, repeat yourselves a couple of times more and you will have convinced yourself.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Why on earth did you bring this post from the Fire thread in here? which was posted the day that Greece was up in flames, and is not in reference to a specific country or people.

And you think you can use this to discredit me, in such a useless topic.

Originally Posted by Cid

Yes the story of your country burning up and your fellow citizens burning alive, certainly such topic is useless.

Originally Posted by Euklid

The Greeks will never legalize the appropriation of their legal propertry which they slowly get back from International Court-Rooms anyway, and that is end of story.

Originally Posted by Cid

Good then they can become happy citizens of the TRNC and contribute to their new State.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Yes ofc i understand your view on the Balkans exactly as Stipe, however your position that Greece entered on the ground of its ancient Heritage has been flying a lot in some circles with essentially being very far away from reality.

Originally Posted by Cid

No it's basicly the truth, you have to thank France for entering the Community, the others member-states had their doubts and a well-founded one as it turns out.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Greece and the Greeks have always been very productive, high-cultured and the likes. The Greeks though have all the shit to cope with in this crappy neighborhood.

Originally Posted by Cid

That is because you like to stick your head into the toilet-bowl.

Originally Posted by Euklid

By being inside the Union, Greece has taken initiative in collaboration with the EU and has formed various organizations(Meditterenean Association, The Black Sea Economy Forum) that push for economic integration and stability around the region.

Originally Posted by Cid

Firstly the Black Sea Economic Forum is founded by an initiative of Turkey to establish economic cooperation among the black sea states. Greece simply got also an invitation, it's no achievement of her own initiative or insight, Greece doesnt even border the Black Sea.

Secondly dont bother about other organisations, Greece should first live up to the standards of the EU as she is seriously lagging behind. Greece is the laughing stock among legal scholars. In matters of implementing EU legislation, Greece has failed to meet the standards on every field, whether competition law, environmental law, administrative harmonisations, you name it. In fact on many fields, Greece is recieving the same relaxed treatment as the 10 new member-states, despite the fact Greece has been a member since 1981 and the new member-states just joined in 2004. It is because of member-states like Greece that the EU is facing the threat of breaking up in a two-gear union, a fast gear for the developed member-states like all of NorthWest-Europe, but also Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, Slovenia, etc and a slow gear for countries which don't want strong centralization on EU legislation like Poland, who have much harmonisation to do like Bulgaria and Romania or the lazy ones like Greece.

Originally Posted by Euklid

In short, Greece is the lung of Europe in the Balkans and the wide area of the Middle-East and Egypt. A very vital aspect indeed, that both gives and takes from its position on the European Union.

Originally Posted by Cid

Greece's benefits for the EU has been only marginal. On political terrain she has threatend to sabotage EU expansion for her own gains. At first the European Commission and many member-states did not want the accession of Cyprus into the EU because they believed Cyprus should first solve its internal issue before joining the Community, especially since the Greek-Cypriot government was not presenting an honest intention for unification. However Greece went on and threatend to boycott the accession of 9 other member-states if Cyprus would not be admitted. Same story with Macedonia where Greece sabotages Macedonia's relations with the EU and Nato over a name issue.

And then the economic perspective, Greece has never been a net-contributor, the Greek Republic just goes on spending while depending on the subsidies of the EU to make ends meet. The Greek economy is in a mess and her trade deficit is a serious problem:

Originally Posted by news

The new government of Costas Karamanlis following Sunday¢s election faces five major challenges, beginning with the execution of the current budget and the drafting of that for 2008, as well as continuing with the overdue reform of the country¢s social security system and the formulation of the growth model that will prepare the economy for the period once the European Union-subsidized Community Support Framework (CSF) major investment program ends in 2013.

This year¢s budget, apart from the overruns that are normal in a pre-election period, has also been burdened with the cost of direct relief to the victims of the recent forest fires, estimated at about 300 million euros. The minister of economy and finance will have three months in which to limit any shortfall in revenues and overruns in expenses and contain the budget deficit to the planned 2.4 percent of gross domestic product.

The outgoing government had drafted a plan to save about 500 million in expenses. Of this, 400 million will come from cuts in the investment and defense budgets, and the rest from various categories of public operating expenses.

Any missing of targets in 2007 will be carried over to the 2008 budget, the first draft of which will have to be submitted to Parliament on October 1. This draft is to be compiled on the basis of a gross domestic product (GDP) revised upward by 25 percent, and is expected to be approved by Eurostat. It will include part of the cost of the promised pre-election handouts, estimated at ?illion, but also will envisage a lower fiscal deficit, in line with the target of a balanced budget by 2010.

LINK

Originally Posted by Cid

This story makes it quite clear, history repeats itself again. Just like the ancient Greeks needed the Romans to properly administrate Greece, modern Greeks need the European Commission to properly administrate their republic.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Idiotic Issues, like the Cypriot one, the FyroMacedonian one could have been solved if Europe showed a little bit of voice,

Originally Posted by Cid

I agree the Cyprus dispute would have been solved much earlier if the EU had build up the pressure on the government of Southern Cyprus to stop pretending and start accepting the unification on equal basis.

Originally Posted by Euklid

The culture of Ancient Ellas belongs to the Ellines first, and then to the rest of the world.

Originally Posted by Cid

You see Dumbteen, Helen (the culture of ancient Greece) is actually an escort, and you must be the first one to have her, or you most likely end up with scary diseases because simply everyone will amuse themselves on her.

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This is me:

Originally Posted by Cid

Yes you have said that several times now, repeat yourselves a couple of times more and you will have convinced yourself.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Please do repeat once again, what is the purpose of the article?

It illustrates osmosis, innit? As stated sadness in essence.

Originally Posted by Cid

Yes the story of your country burning up and your fellow citizens burning alive, certainly such topic is useless.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Its more than obvious that you should be laughin with yourself, when its you that brought this extract in here. And also, are you actually making fun of the fires, whence about 70 people lost their lives and some million of acres of forests turned to ash?

I think that your sadness has just moved exponentially on the nth.

Originally Posted by Cid

No it's basicly the truth, you have to thank France for entering the Community, the others member-states had their doubts and a well-founded one as it turns out.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Whatever floats your boat, Young Turk, who actually believes that countries enter International Institutions just because their name. It is an excuse for people like you, who might actually fall for such bullshit and see politics superficially, when in essence shit walks and money/resources talk in the political domain. It seems to me that a country of 10 mil. has got more resources than a country of 70 mil. and the Bosphorus port, has to offer.

Now let us see, what kind of sad article did you pick up from the net to continue your childish ridiculous bickering, that is totally irrelevant to the topic that you actually started, and on which you have not replied to any on-topic posts made.

Originally Posted by Cid

Secondly dont bother about other organisations, Greece should first live up to the standards of the EU as she is seriously lagging behind. Greece is the laughing stock among legal scholars. In matters of implementing EU legislation, Greece has failed to meet the standards on every field, whether competition law, environmental law, administrative harmonisations, you name it. In fact on many fields, Greece is recieving the same relaxed treatment as the 10 new member-states, despite the fact Greece has been a member since 1981 and the new member-states just joined in 2004. It is because of member-states like Greece that the EU is facing the threat of breaking up in a two-gear union, a fast gear for the developed member-states like all of NorthWest-Europe, but also Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, Slovenia, etc and a slow gear for countries which don't want strong centralization on EU legislation like Poland, who have much harmonisation to do like Bulgaria and Romania or the lazy ones like Greece.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Off topic. A small remark:

Greece is certainly some light years ahead of you in all these sectors, YOUTUBEphobics. So whatever Greece might be lacking it is more than certain that you are lacking it on the nth.

Originally Posted by Cid

Greece's benefits for the EU has been only marginal. On political terrain she has threatend to sabotage EU expansion for her own gains. At first the European Commission and many member-states did not want the accession of Cyprus into the EU because they believed Cyprus should first solve its internal issue before joining the Community, especially since the Greek-Cypriot government was not presenting an honest intention for unification. However Greece went on and threatend to boycott the accession of 9 other member-states if Cyprus would not be admitted. Same story with Macedonia where Greece sabotages Macedonia's relations with the EU and Nato over a name issue.

And then the economic perspective, Greece has never been a net-contributor, the Greek Republic just goes on spending while depending on the subsidies of the EU to make ends meet. The Greek economy is in a mess and her trade deficit is a serious problem:

Originally Posted by Euklid

Again off-topic.

The Greeks always used wisely the resources the legal domain has to offer to them. It must be actually quite annoying for you to watch us reap the rewards, innit?

Originally Posted by Cid

This story makes it quite clear, history repeats itself again. Just like the ancient Greeks needed the Romans to properly administrate Greece, modern Greeks need the European Commission to properly administrate their republic.

Originally Posted by Euklid

"Dick verification, dick verification to Cid, you have just posted a smart-ass remark. Congratulations, the Turkish republiq will grant you a full days access to youtube."

Originally Posted by Cid

I agree the Cyprus dispute would have been solved much earlier if the EU had build up the pressure on the government of Southern Cyprus to stop pretending and start accepting the unification on equal basis

Originally Posted by Euklid

This is seriously funny. A Turk actually talkin about Unification.

Originally Posted by Cid

You see Dumbteen, Helen (the culture of ancient Greece) is actually an escort, and you must be the first one to have her, or you most likely end up with scary diseases because simply everyone will amuse themselves with her.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Again: "dick verification to Cid, you will get the bonus and grant you a day's access in Kurdmedia.com If you are not a Kurd, it doesnt matter, we actually do not give a shit. Dick verification is over and out. Thank you for your attention."

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Now Doomhammer replies:

Originally Posted by Euklid

The Greeks though have all the shit to cope with in this crappy neighborhood.

Originally Posted by Doom

You can move.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Greece is a nation without brothers or friends.

Originally Posted by Doom

With the possible exception of Scandinavian countries (who have acquired a state of "mature anarchy"), no country has friends.

Originally Posted by Euklid

The Black Sea Economy Forum) that push for economic integration and stability around the region.

Originally Posted by Doom

BSEC was a Turkish innitiative. Heck, its HQ is in Istanbul. You guys are members despite not even having a coastline on the Black Sea. lol

Originally Posted by Euklid

Greece is the lung of Europe in the Balkans and the wide area of the Middle-East and Egypt.

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Originally Posted by Euklid

Idiotic Issues, like the Cypriot one, the FyroMacedonian one could have been solved if Europe showed a little bit of voice

Originally Posted by Doom

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Euklid

and actually shouted against the American divide et Impera policies in the region in favor of its current allies the Turks and Monsie Soros, respectively.

Originally Posted by Doom

I don't think US really has any interest in Cyprus. Also, you ignore the fact that there are strong Greek lobbies in US, why not have these people convince the senate to do something?

Originally Posted by Euklid

Because we gave the texts

Originally Posted by Doom

Define "gave". It seems more like "taken by force".

Originally Posted by Euklid

You world is really not that magic Alice, your Tescos, Asdas, skunk, LSD, mushrooms, and underground Hollywood is the true entertainment and culture of the English public at this very moment.

Originally Posted by Doom

Speaking of which, you promised to tell me about present Greek culture. Specfically about life in Greece.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Please go ahead and compare the lives of an English man, with that of a Spartan, or a Cretan or an Italian or a Balkanian.

Originally Posted by Doom

Sparta was destroyed and rebuilt, you are refering to Ancient Spartans or to modern day Greeks?

I'm sure English life is horrible. (Sarcasm)

Originally Posted by Euklid

This is seriously funny. A Turk actually talkin about Unification.

Originally Posted by Doom

Really? Your life must be a laugh riot.

Originally Posted by Doom

I also find it amusing when Greeks talk about serious business without their "generous" speeches on historical dellusions.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Young Turk

Originally Posted by Doom

Btw, how old are you? Just curious. 70, perhaps? Should I go up or down?

Originally Posted by Euklid

Congratulations, the Turkish republiq will grant you a full days access to youtube."

Originally Posted by Doom

That's not much of reward now, is it? I'm under the impression that you think Youtube is blocked here.

Originally Posted by Euklid

If you are not a Kurd, it doesnt matter, we actually do not give a shit.

Originally Posted by Doom

Then why do make a big deal of it?

Originally Posted by Euklid

Dick verification is over and out. Thank you for your attention."

Originally Posted by Doom

Wow. Where did youn learn how to say that?

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Now me for a brief:

Originally Posted by doom

"Agreed"

Agreed here as well Doom. I seriousy find no reason for us still discussing such things. We are all tripping with the official positions and the mud-trowing from each side, as if its gonna get us anywhere, anyway.

About the BSCF, i have the impression that Greece belongs to the founding members. Even though there is no Black Sea coast line.[/quote]

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Now Doom:

Originally Posted by Euklid

About the BSCF, i have the impression that Greece belongs to the founding members.

Originally Posted by Doom

I am under the same impression but I must remind you that Turgut ?zal is responsible for the launching of this program and that Turkey and Russia play the most important roles. Still, the Black Sea Foreign Trade and Development Bank is located in Thesseloniki so Greece seems to have an important say in the organization.

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Now Cid:

Originally Posted by Euklid

Agreed here as well Doom. I seriousy find no reason for us still discussing such things. We are all tripping with the official positions and the mud-trowing from each side, as if its gonna get us anywhere, anyway.

Originally Posted by Cid

No there is a reason to talk about it, but you have created an incentive not to talk about it because of you childish attempts of changing the subject by making non-related childish attempts for insults. It is clear you are unwilling to dialogue with reason, and I have to blaim myself for attempting it. The topic is the unification process between the two Cypriotic states on equal status, Tassos' failed policy of issolating Northern Cyprus economically and politically, to enforce dissolvement and a one-sided "unification", and the upcomming elections in Southern Cyprus in which the question arises whether the people will vote for a change in policy dispite Tassos' attempts to stir up tensions so he can reaffirm himself in a so-called heroic image and cover his actions which obstructed unification when it was tangible. These are reflected in the posts before you started bullshitting about your sentimental views on Cyprus, Greek membership and started your non-related childish attempts for insults. You either discuss that or get ignored, because talking with you randomnly in a reactive interaction certainly isn't going to produce anything insightful or meaningful.

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Now me again:

Originally Posted by Doom

]Speaking of which, you promised to tell me about present Greek culture. Specfically about life in Greece

Originally Posted by Euklid

I have already done so. All your questions have been addressed if you havent noticed, and the questions you asked, have been scattered around. And addressed individually regarding on the question and the topic. If you look better you shall see, and if you visit you shall see even more.

Originally Posted by Doom

I also find it amusing when Greeks talk about serious business without their "generous" speeches on historical dellusions.

Originally Posted by Euklid

First of all, it is not the Greeks who raise such idiocies, it is you who does and various other people. I am simply responding to your stupid questions.

On your Spartans remark, Ancient, present, no difference, they still speak the same idiom they used to speak even before Alexander, as if they are stuck back in time, and have a code of conduct exactly identical and traditions exactly identical.

See Tsakonian dialect. See Maniots. Ive alredy linked them for you. PS. Mani never fell to anybody.

Originally Posted by Doom

Define "gave". It seems more like "taken by force".

Originally Posted by Euklid

Yeah sure, Cardinal Bessarion, George Gemistos Plithon the Greek philosopher from Trepizond, was actually a Turk who took them by force and enlightened Europe and Italy, by creating all these philosophical schools.

Now Doom, i ask you.

What is your problem with Greece? What is your problem that Greeks are actually Greeks?

Why do you have such a big complex with our identity?
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Cid, your osmosis position has been trashed on the past, in this sub-ftum, therefore spare us the rhetoric.

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Now Cid: Post deleted i dont have it, something along the lines i am irrational, stupid and her thread is the shit.

Originally Posted by Euklid

Cid, look you said it yourself, about the article illustrating Osmosis and the likes.

In simple terms you are asking for debate, and repetition as if we are broken records.

Well, you know what am bored discussing the same things over and over again. And hence why i do not post silly articles that project or whisper my governments official positions. Its you that is doing so, so please do spare me the rhetoric about me being such a bastard.

As for me being logical or rational, well sincerely i do not give a crap of what you think of me.

Originally Posted by Doom quoting Heraclitus

"one can never step into the same river twice"?

Originally Posted by Euklid

Exactly Doom, cause everything is in motion, that is everything except for some peoples tendency to repeat themselves and actually stay sad aka (e)motionless as is the case of Cid, which should have already moved on with the osmosis preaching.

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Then Cid:

Originally Posted by Euklid

Cid, you osmosis position, i have trashed it in the past, here you were repeating it.

Originally Posted by Cid

You failling to understand the difference between trashing a subject and trash-talking about a subject. It's the latter you have succeeded in. Let the dead find their own comforts.*

The word comforts is linked with this thread in here. LOL

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Then me:

Originally Posted by Euklid

Cidie, anyone can find me there, and that is why my sig is the same and the links in my profile are the same, and our community is linked on my blog, which bares my username.

Your methods to dicredit me are dum, and illustrate the level of your intellect.

The links to macedoniaontheweb.com i have given them before to you, and to your compatriots, if you dare come in there and challenge all our threads and the collection of information we have gathered.

By simply googling my sig, you are able to find me there.

Now go on live your sad life with your sad articles, and keep on using these sad methods to discredit me.

In here alone, you have made reference to the EVE thread, to the Fire thread, to macedoniaontheweb as if am hiding anything.

In short when you fail in debates, you just move on.

Your osmosis position has been trashed before, and your sadness keeps begging for more trashings and ridiculations.

With all the sincerety accompanied, i truly feel sorry for you and sorry for all those sad individuals that when they find a dead-end start denying another mans identity, just to reassure their existences.

Truly pathetic.

Then DumbTeeen:

Originally Posted by DumbTeen

Actually, Noemon's posts are a perfect illustration of the kind of stubborn petty Balkan nationalism I find so annoying. Though, to be fair, both the Polish government and at least one Polish poster have shown similar habits so the trait isn't limited to the Balkans.

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And finally me after this post everything was deleted, topic split, moved and whatever:

Tha fact of the matter Dumb is that Noemon has not raised any issues(not the thread, not even your stupid questions) in here, Noemon has responded to accusations, to denials.

Before making anymore, i would advise you to observe the evolution of the discussion and the stupidities that noemon has to put up with by all the participants in here. And this petty Balkan nationalism that you are talking about has been expressed in its worst sense by you noble Englishman, while denying the national and ethnical identity of people, that you, as illustarted have no idea of.

Now its better, if you actually take a step back and take a look in the mirror.

And, also this Balkan nationalism is what has kept alive the people down here from actually becoming all that sad mass you call globalized and its manifestation which results to that which is called Asda's and Wal Mart.

In brief, DumbTeen nobody told you to come in and teach people their own History, and exert this Western nobility, with which you are sleeping tight at night.

[Euklid]

Conclusion: Posted Yesterdy reposted today:

The Cypriot Issue has been going on ever since the beginning of the 20th century and not 2004 as the Turk above preaches, when Turkey abolished all her rights to the Island, and came back after the British got kicked out of the Island from the Greek War Machine, and citizenry. Turkey came back after the British invited her to come and act as leverage against the Greeks. Turkey with a mere 18% of the Islands population invaded the Island while Greece was during a Civil war and could not respond, occupied 35% of the Island, and ever since then she has been condemned by every single International Institution for settling settlers, and for contributing to the instability of the Island. Turkey persecuted the 80% majority Greek population of the Cypriot North which at the time contibuted for more than 40% on the islands GDP, and for that every single organization condemned her.

Currently she has settled more than 150.000 people on the Island who have familiarized themselves with the Greeks property.

Turkey requested from the Greeks to recognize these 150.000 settlers and the Greeks told her: Go to the Hague Tribunal and see you there.

This familiarization of property did not take place centuries ago but a mere 30 years ago, the people are still alive, the people want to go back to their Houses, these people will never legalize the appropriation of their property.

These people(Greek Cypriots) within 30 years have managed to reach to GDP levels higher than the state of Greece(per capita), have one of the best services and technology sector in Europe and are thriving in international economy indicators.

These people have sent a clear message to the Turks:

Give us back our property. Stop selling our property, And we will find a solution. Turkey has been continously pushing for the segregation of the people of the Island, cause it serves her interests as the Island is very strategic and she wants to have military bases on the Island, and hence the presence of some 50000 soldiers of the Turkish state on the Island.

Turkey is playing the idiotic game, while even the rocks know, that Turkeys sole interests is not the Turkish Cypriots -(got sources which i have alredy posted them during our debates with the Turks in here of original TC's pre invasion shouting and screaming against the settler Turks). And hence why she keeps them under hostage, while they have declared several times, that they want to join the Cypriot South Government. -but the military bases she keeps on the Island.

The Turks will preach and preach until the end of the night that the Greeks are inapproachable and crap like that cause that is what they teach them in that Deep state of them, whereas even youtube is banned cause it insults Turkishnesss.

The Greeks will never legalize the appropriation of their legal propertry which they slowly get back from International Court-Rooms anyway, and that is end of story.