FYROM Appeals on Refugee Rights again.......

[Mygdonia]

No I want to see websites from everyday people like us stating they are oppressed.

Can you do that, not interested in your mickey mouse politically perverted websites nor websites from politicians with an agenda...but REAL PEOPLE ((((WHERE ARE THEY????)))).

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by ********** Blood

Mygdonkey,

http://www.*hrmi.org/

Have a read.

Waiting for "this is propaganda bullshit" responses

What is this website about? Learning of Bill Nicholovs' cancer problems?

Where are the everyday stories of oppression? Can't find them in the front page...

[Kiril Evangelovski]

Originally Posted by Kiril Evangelovski

The only truly new development that I see is that Vinozhito dropped the "no-mother nations" mask that it has successfully put on all these years to appeal to Western European and North American organizations as a post-nationalist modern human rights movement. For years they would say that the problems need to be solved from inside Greece - now one of their top members (Thanassis Parissis - MINA renamed him into Anastasios Parizos) joined in the celebrations:

Update on the above - right where it seemed that Vinozhito dropped the "no mother-nation-state" mantra and embraced Gruevski's efforts it has put up George N. Papadakis article in Abdulhamit Dede's newspaper up on its website. The article is mostly an attack on Greece but it does start with:

Οφείλω να ξεκαθαρίσω εξαρχής ότι δεν συμφωνώ με τον τρόπο που ο πρωθυπουργός της Δημοκρατίας της Μακεδονίας θέτει το θέμα των Μακεδόνων στην Ελλάδα. Ο καταιγισμός επιστολών με αποδέκτες κυρίως καλοπληρωμένους και ευθυνόφοβους υπαλλήλους διεθνών οργανισμών (Ευρωπαική Επιτροπή, ΟΗΕ, Συμβούλιο της Ευρώπης, ΟΑΣΕ) που επιπλέον δεν έχουν θεσμικά σχεδόν καμία δυνατότητα παρέμβασης, αποπνέει εθνικισμό. Και ο εθνικισμός, από όποια πλευρά κι αν προέρχεται, είναι καταδικαστέος.

Επιπλέον, είναι εξαιρετικά αμφίβολό (για να μην πούμε βέβαιο) ότι δεν θα υπάρξει ουσιαστικό αποτέλεσμα προς όφελος αυτών που επικαλείται στις επιστολές του ο κ. Γκρούεφσκι (η μειονότητα εντός των συνόρων αλλά και οι δεκάδες χιλιάδες εκδιωγμένοι στα χρόνια του εμφυλίου Μακεδόνες που δεν μπορούν να επιστρέψουν στην Ελλάδα).

Reproduction of the article signifies a form of endorsement. So now I'm wondering whether the are visible divisions in Vinozhito on the subject resulting in some members embracing Gruevski's new initiatives and others being sceptical of them. Then again it is possible they're again trying to pull the wool over the faces of the rest of us.

[Amarantos]

Originally Posted by Kiril Evangelovski

right where it seemed that Vinozhito dropped the "no mother-nation-state" mantra and embraced Gruevski's efforts it has put up George N. Papadakis article in Abdulhamit Dede's newspaper up on its website. The article is mostly an attack on Greece but it does start with

So now I'm wondering whether the are visible divisions in Vinozhito on the subject resulting in some members embracing Gruevski's new initiatives and others being sceptical of them. Then again it is possible they're again trying to pull the wool over the faces of the rest of us.

Talking especially to young people sympathising voskopoulos, i got the idea that the "no mother-nation-state" story i.e. Skopje, proposed by vinozhito is a way to deceive firstly their target group voters-supporters (the sympathisers i was talking about earlier) and secondly to reassure all the rest of us. And this because particularly those young people (coming from a comunist, socialist etc even philoskopjan environment) believe to have nothing to do with the skopjans since they consider themselves greeks, and so being proposed and consequently adopt a flat skopjan thesis is quasi-impossible. Their introduction to those ideas has to start from a "transitory" base/idea, which is the mantra you are talking about. Sounds confusing...but anyway, it's always funny reading the articles of our cretan friend who's spreading his "knowledge" in various directions lately. I can't find at the moment one of his previous articles, we were discusing not long ago.

[Amarantos]

right where it seemed that Vinozhito dropped the "no mother-nation-state" mantra

some more on this case and the discourse in general:

Voskopoulos (1:05) " title="Voskopoulos (1:05)" target="_blank">Voskopoulos (1:05)

: As in all countries ethnic minorities exist, in the same way they exist in Greece too, and i'm certainly member of the "macedonian" minority in Greece, with one difference, the national centre mr Giouleka and this is the opinion and the principal of our party, is Athens and our country, we are not the minority of another country in Greece. We are a minority, "ethnic macedonian" in Greece and we want a better country, we want more democracy....

Let's see the following photos of a recent video from the rainbow headquarters:









No portraits of macedonian freedom fighters from Greece, the national centre of rainbow party and mr Voskopoulos, according to his own statements, but a Goce Delchev one.

Since a picture is worth a thousand words.

I only hope all those pics did not turned your stomach LOL

[Victor]

Originally Posted by PAvle VOskopoulos

See LUbi,I told them what you told me to say so keep sending me money!!!

Thats probably very close to the truth I am guessing.

[Xiotis]

Originally Posted by Mygdonia

No I want to see websites from everyday people like us stating they are oppressed.

Can you do that, not interested in your mickey mouse politically perverted websites nor websites from politicians with an agenda...but REAL PEOPLE ((((WHERE ARE THEY????)))).

You are asking big things from these delusional nutcases Mygdonia! Uzunovski et al are frothing at the mouth over at Maknuts hoping that a handful of any of the hundreds of thousands of the poor oppressed bretheren in northern Greece will login via one of the seemingly countless anonymous internet cafes in the country in order to advertise their plight on his Maknuts forum which is so convienently advertised and linked on the official "Rainbow Party" website which he is, **coincidently**, the architect of. Yes the same "Rainbow Party" website which advertises the virtues of equality and civility and human rights is registered to the same neanderthal, namely Uzunovski, who spews -in daily doses- megabytes of racist drivel on his own forums with the message that Hellenism is akin to a disease. I wonder if Pavle ever shakes his head at Uzunovski, who he obviously must collude with, when Uzunovski flies off of the handle with his daily drivel instead of sticking the victim based propaganda Pavle and the other more 'educated' cronies are trying to propagate.

Enough of my rant. Perhaps when fyromaniac Blood is back from his ban he can direct us to any forums that do not include Maknut style Australian and Canadian neanderthals who seemingly dictate foreign policy to the teenaged idiots running FYROM and who use the likes of poor Pavle as a puppet. Perhaps he, fyromaniac Blood, can direct us to actual forums where his kin living in Greece are posting in large numbers describing their horrible plight! Uzunovski has provided a beacon for years for these people to show up and post en masse, I wonder if his followers are even capable of noting the absence of the multitudes and connecting the dots....

PS - excellent post you made above Amarantos!