FYROM has to make concession for the name: deputy chair

[euro]

Originally Posted by kostas68

Now it seems that all these people forget that the entry of their country to EU is ambivalent with their wish to keep the constitutional name.I wonder,after some years out of EU whether they will be still united and tenacious on the name issue.Will they still support Gruevski's intransigent stance?

We support him because he is defending our name and identity.
Did you forget about the polls about entering NATO and EU for the price of changing the name? You forgot that vast majority rejected joining the Euro-Atlantic organizations with broken spin? Don't mix two different things.
Yes we support our country's EU membership, but we want to enter as Macedonians, not with some Greek-forced nationality. We don't support changing our name and nationality. That's it.
I think that you have an idea how it works.

ambivalent???? According to Greece?

[Truth Bearer]

Yes but you must learn to compromise euro......

[euro]

Macedonia has to make concession for the name: deputy chair

Skopje. In an interview with Radio Free Europe the deputy chairman of the Social democratic Union of Macedonia Zoran Zaev said that according to him “Macedonia have to make a concession about the international use of the name due to the increasing isolation in the foreign countries, especially from Greece and its adherents the condition in the country,” cited by Makfax. “I don’t believe that there is a Macedonian party, which will have the strength to talk about Macedonian identity, culture and language but we can make a concession under the issue for the international use of the name in all international institutes,” he said.

As for Zaev, here is what i have to say. His words have no credibility at all anymore. He is a criminal who stole 8.5 000 000 euros from the people. If he was innocent he should reject the abolition from Crvenkovski. By accepting it, he addmited the crime. That's why we cant move forward. Not because of the name issue with Greece, but because of people like him, people that rule SDSM and ruled with Macedonia for more that 10 years. They stole everything that could be stolen. They destroyed us. How can he speak for poverty and isolation of our country.
He can change his name (Zaevopoulos), or the name of the city in which he is mayor. It seems that he forgets that he rules one city and he is not ruling Macedonia. So, he forgot that he has no more credibility. He is a nothing more then a criminal. After this statement all over the Macedonian forums he is considered as a traitor who needs to be convicted and put in prison. You'll see the reactions from this statement soon this days. He is finished here. Zero.

And yes, there is a Macedonian party, which will have the strength to talk about Macedonian identity, culture and language. But unfortunately he doesnt belong to this party, and probably he will never be in any ruling party again. Mr. Gruevski has the strength. Zaevopulos doesn't have to worry about that.

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by euro

We support him because he is defending our name and identity.

I haven't any problem with this.Support him,till you'll be cursing him one day.And i don't think this day is so far.

Originally Posted by euro

Did you forget about the polls about entering NATO and EU for the price of changing the name? You forgot that vast majority rejected joining the Euro-Atlantic organizations with broken spin? Don't mix two different things.

Words,big words,which usually stay only words.I want to see you after some years,when the nationalistic rhetoric will not be enough to decrease the frustration of the people.

Originally Posted by euro

Yes we support our country's EU membership, but we want to enter as Macedonians, not with some Greek-forced nationality. We don't support changing our name and nationality. That's it.
I think that you have an idea how it works.

It's just impossible to enter as <Macedonians>,no matter if you can't realize it.

Originally Posted by euro

ambivalent???? According to Greece?

According to something of which is a big lack in your country:Common logic.

[Tsontos]

Originally Posted by euro

Yunanico .

Don't be a smart ass.Least of all because Yunan was what the Persians and easterners in general called the Ancient Macedonians.

[Tsontos]

Originally Posted by euro

Who gives a dam about what Zaev said. Zaev is local politician and he has no power to do any concession for the name. With his latest statement he confirmed that he has no more credibility among his voters. Crvenkovski released him and destroyed his political carriere and now with this statement, he is finished for sure. He wont have 1000 votes on the next elections.

Crvenkovski sounds like the devil himself. Amazing that he has risen to the position of president when he makes statements so abhorrent to 99.9% of Skopjians.

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

FYROM has to make concession for the name: deputy chair



24 August 2008 | 13:46 | FOCUS News Agency



Skopje. In an interview with Radio Free Europe the deputy chairman of the Social democratic Union of Macedonia Zoran Zaev said that according to him “Macedonia have to make a concession about the international use of the name due to the increasing isolation in the foreign countries, especially from Greece and its adherents the condition in the country,” cited by Makfax. “I don’t believe that there is a Macedonian party, which will have the strength to talk about Macedonian identity, culture and language but we can make a concession under the issue for the international use of the name in all international institutes,” he said.


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Now I don't really understand of your favoring of the opposition since they also don't accept any change of the constitution?

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Tsontos

Crvenkovski sounds like the devil himself. Amazing that he has risen to the position of president when he makes statements so abhorrent to 99.9% of Skopjians.

It depends of the period. He became president in 2004 only 2-3 years after the war in Macedonia for which the people hold responsible VMRO. The voters didn't have much choice and let me tell you that many of them voted for him with the hope that someone better from SDSM will come to be the PM. But again they were disappointed.
Btw the president has small power. He said that he wont run for the second mandate cause he knows that he can't win no matter of who will be candidate of VMRO.

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

Yes but you must learn to compromise euro......

Tell that to Karamanlis.

[Foti66]

Originally Posted by ZZm

Tell that to Karamanlis.

It's not Karamanlis who is begging to get into NATO and the EU.