I think that they have found a solution that satisfies both - partially...

[Greece2006]

[quote=euro;90308]Just to add something.
Macedonian perception of the name dispute can be described using the following fable. The Greek excuses for inciting the name issue sound childish, irrational and irrelevant precisely for the reason they are.

Why don't you stop with the lies? The Greek position on the name dispute with Skopje are spot on and rational and anyone with an ounce of intelligence and common sense agree with this, Fyrom knows this and that is why yous act the way you do, because deep down you all know the TRUTH, that Macedonia is GREEK AND NOTHING ELSE.

"Macedonia has NEVER attempted to monopolize the word Macedonia, nor prevent anyone else, including Greece, from using elements of the world heritage left by the ancients."

Oh really??? Fyrom has engaged in a worldwide propaganda againgst Greece and Greeks everywhere to state that;

1. Macedonia is not Greek and never has been Greek and that The Hellenic province of Macedonia belongs exlusively to Fyorm.

2. Alexander The Great, the Ancient Greek Macedonian King and all the other famous Ancient Greek Macedonians like Phillip, Olympias, Kassandros, Aristotle were not Greeks but belong to the legacy of the slavs of Fyrom, basically Fyrom is trying to wipe out Greek history and legacy, when in fact Fyroms slavs didn't reach the Balcans until the 6th century ad, long after alexander died. Skopjes airport was re-named Alexander The Great on purpose, because they are so desperate to win this case and keep the name Macedonia.

3. Fyroms education system teach their kids Greek history turned slavic to brainwash them with their lies and propaganda, including maps shown with Greek and Bulgarian territory.

4.Skopje and it's diaspora continue to use the star of Vergina, which is a Greek symbol and was found in Greece on King Phillips tomb, but they claim it belongs to them, what wishful thinking.

5. Fyroms government continue to blame Greece and point the finger that Greece are the liars and they are the victims, which is bullshit, and they just LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE to cover up their true agenda.

If Greece were smart they wouldn't accept any composite name, but just wait for VETO into EU, and let Fyrom rot in hell, cause they will rot eventually, cause their foundations are a big lie and all lies come to an end at some point in time, cause it's not a natural process. If Fyrom were really Macedonians then they would have had this name a long time ago and there would be no issue with Greece.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by euro

This must have been from Greek sources...

It is coming from my brain solely.

As for the ********** minority, Nimitz stated hundred times that the only thing that we negotiate about now is the name. Nothing else!

You are wrong. If you have noticed the latest developments, Gruevski has brought the minority issue in the talks. Although Nimetz initially tried to put it aside, yesterday he included it in the package, and the Greek side was still content with it...

We have a new formula now: Do you want something recognized within Greece? Well, it should have to have the same name all around the world and it would be a composite name.

Therefore, if you want a minority in Greece, they shall be "North Macedonians" (or other composite name) and you shall be the same too...

If you want education in your language in Greece, it shall be in a "North Macedonian" and that languages' name shall be the same all over the world...

I don't know if Gruevski likes the proposals, but I am sure that Nimetz and the Greek side have trapped him into his desire to have the minority issue on the talks...

...And they were very confident yesterday...

[akritas]

Sereva Makedonija is the proposal applied on an erga omnes basis.!!!
There are couple thinks that put in the table, like nationality and language names. I dont know what were the answers but I have my suspicious thoughts.

[Truth Bearer]

They will be known as Serevian makedonijans....Their language Serevan Makedonijan..

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis

This is not something from reliable sources, it is merely a speculation, but from the recent statements from both sides, it seems to be the only thing that makes sense:

There is going to be a "Northern Macedonia" or something similar, a "Northern Macedonian" ethnicity and a "Northern Macedonian" minority recognized by Greece. These shall be used universally, by all nations and organizations.

The one side gets to have something other than a plain "Macedonia" - which shall remain Greek either for the people or for the province.

The other side shall get to have a minority recognized within Greece.

I have no idea about the issues of the naming of the language or the church, or the education of the minority. The issue of the properties lost to those fleeing Greece during the Greek civil war is probably dead.

I repeat, this is NOT reliable information, it is ONLY what makes sense out of the various statements and reactions.

Thanks for informing us Petros. It is a shit agreement though.

[Mygdonia]

I really can not see my grand parents nor any family in Greece for that matter calling their ethnicity Vorein Makedones and language Voreio Makedonika.... haaaahahahahahaaaaaaa

[Mygdonia]

Originally Posted by Tsontos

We want New Macedonia, not Northern Macedonia.

Who is "We"??

[Mygdonia]

SOlution that satisfies both " Republic of Vardaska"

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by Mygdonia

I really can not see my grand parents nor any family in Greece for that matter calling their ethnicity Vorein Makedones and language Voreio Makedonika.... haaaahahahahahaaaaaaa

I totally agree,it's really a humiliation for a Macedonian to call some Bulgarians <Voriomakedones>.I prefer to cut my tongue instead to polute the name Makedonas applying it to a Skopiano,even using the prefix Vorio- .

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by euro

Read my quote and you will see that i said "for internal and bilateral relations" with othe countries. I never said for use in international organizations such as UN, NATO, EU. Stop twisting things.

No twisting here... well other than in your mind that is..

You spoke of workability and that is exactly what I'm questioning, the "workability".
"Internal and bilateral relations" mean nothing as I'm sure you understand, since your strife is strictly international recognition..
So the question remains: Could you explain what on earth "woking for us" means exactly?