Are we moving towards a military solution for the Macedonian Dispute?

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by Grace

I screwed up. Other than those you are obliged to recognize by treaty I meant.

George I meant we will not have one for a long long time. The Serbia situation needed to be solved, it was tanks and rapes versus civilians.

As per Bush and Iraq: USA gets the bad rep for being the World's police, but everyone in west enjoys the benefits.

The U.S.A. being the worlds' police? I very much doubt it. If they resembled anything like a police force, they would have intervened in the Rwanda massacres a decade ago. That conflict alone resulted to more than 1 million dead civilians...

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

Originally Posted by Grace

As per Bush and Iraq: USA gets the bad rep for being the World's police, but everyone in west enjoys the benefits.

Chicago.Sorry, I wasn't clear. When I questioned benefits it was in response of Grace's post here. Once again I do the same. BENEFITS???!!?!!??!!???

Come now Grace, who is really benefiting. The world sure isn't safer and the cost of living is through the roof.

US support of Albania is not without a price. Be wary of that.

As for Serbia, forget them too. They have shown me nothing to make me support them. Not a drop of piss for us. Let them deal with their own sins, as should the Croats and Bosnians during that dirty war.

The Slavo Skops, Albanians and Greeks should learn a lesson from what happened in that war for sure. Don't take that stupid path. I doubt that they will, but you never know.

Before you think I am anti Albanian, think again. Just wanted that clear.

So Grace, I hope that that people in your world are enjoying these benefits. Make sure you tell the powers that be that the rest of us would love to share these benefits as well.

[Grace]

Originally Posted by PhiliptheUniterchaeronea

Chicago.Sorry, I wasn't clear. When I questioned benefits it was in response of Grace's post here. Once again I do the same. BENEFITS???!!?!!??!!???

Philip,
imagine the quality of life in your town with no police. This is how the world is without US /NATO. US by spending half a trillion a year (it gets it back someway) scares people into being in peace and keeping trade going. You cannot deny that Europe--and especially Greece--has done very well
thanks to these efforts into getting everyone to cooperate and not start trouble. Wages go up and down just as the prices and the economy, that's life and we need to look at that in context, not "this year is bad".

US is the bad cop. The Iraq war is over, and a pro-Western
government will take over soon. In 2-3 years we'll buy off the tribesman in Afghanistan and they will throw out the Taliban. UN can pass resolutions all they want, unless they are enforced they are useless. Force matters.

These are the benefits I'm talking about: if no one feared US and NATO can you imagine how many more wars we would have had so far this century? Think of total destruction, rapes, mass murders and the wonderful things that come with war.

As for US supporting Albania: Of course they have their own interests, but we have never really had an ally (minus the Communists bastards), and we need one. US has only done good things for us so far, just as Russia has for Serbs.

Albanians will never get along with Greeks until Greeks start respecting Albanians as neighbors and mention the good and the bad. Also efforts to cause problems in the south, either by your Church or state, will of course make things much worst.

[Grace]

Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis

The U.S.A. being the worlds' police? I very much doubt it. If they resembled anything like a police force, they would have intervened in the Rwanda massacres a decade ago. That conflict alone resulted to more than 1 million dead civilians...

it's shameful and I wish we had intervened. They didn't and even Clinton regrets it now. Why didn't they:

1. Black people were killed.
2. It was in Africa (far away and once you start in Africa where do you stop?)
3. US got burned in Somalia


Sadly, race and location didn't catch people's attention as much. Horrible things happened in Bosnia, yet when Clinton intervened to stop the same in Kosovo (before it got that bad) he was ripped apart. National interests, politics and ability to solve all problems matter too so they choose. Kosova was in Europe and the people in the screen looked just like the Americans and Europeans watching the news.

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

Hey Grace. I don't disagree with the world cop stuff and all that. However, this war wasn't necessary for that. Who has beneffited. The world is muchmore dangerous and the price of oil hasn't gone down, in fact, it is higher than ever.

What of the total destruction, rapes, etc... committed in Iraq? Don't be fooled. Do you think the war in Iraq has been all clean? Was Vietnam? What about bombing cities around the world to get your way? Damn, that is nasty. My point is that everyone has s#$t that stinks.

If Albania refused the US access to Camp Bondsteel, what do you think would happen to the way they treat you and you view them?

I wish it was as simple as you say, at least compared to what it really is. Do I hate the US? No freaking way, I want that clear. I do think that it isn't what you think it is.

As for my State, lets get this straight, it isn't my state. My Church? Don't bother talking about that. That is inapporpriate. Lets look at our own sins before pointing fingers.

Albania, I do hope they do well in the future, but I am telling you now, the US won't be all sunshine and rainbows for you guys in the future. take care of your own house before villianizing Greece and worshipping the US. These are three fine countries with fine people, don't trivialize it with rhetoric.

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by Grace

How come Greece is the only country with no minorities?

You should change the question a little so that they can understand what you are speaking off!!

The question should be ,,How come Greece is the only country with no ETHNIC minorities??

Muslim is not a ethnic minority, but a religious one.

[Mr. Sir]

If an American can be an American then a Greek can be a Greek.

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

Originally Posted by Dimitar. M

You should change the question a little so that they can understand what you are speaking off!!

The question should be ,,How come Greece is the only country with no ETHNIC minorities??

Muslim is not a ethnic minority, but a religious one.

Welcome back dude... and for the record, I never claimed that there were no ethnic minorities in Greece.

[Mr. Sir]

can you name one minority in Greece, I have only seen Greeks in Greece and on the telly.

[euro]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sir

can you name one minority in Greece, I have only seen Greeks in Greece and on the telly.

Macedonians, Turks, Albanians....