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Old 07-24-2008, 05:06 PM
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The colorful Mr Gruevski

By Stavros Lygeros
Kathimerini, 24-7-2008

In Bucharest, Greece’s diplomacy trapped the Slav-Macedonians and brought them face to face with their true dilemma: On the one hand is their concept of “Macedonianism” and the fantasy of a “United Macedonia” that this represents, on the other are the tangible benefits of accession to NATO and the European Union.

Nikola Gruevski (the prime minister of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) won a great electoral victory by promising to join these Western institutions without compromising on the name and identity issues. But he cannot keep his promise. His letters and other actions are nothing other than a desperate attempt to break out of the diplomatic impasse.

The interesting thing about Gruevski’s political personality is that it combines raw nationalism with a mix of honesty, inflexibility and dogmatism. The clowning about with an Afghan tribal leader who was lauded as a descendant of Alexander the Great is just one example. The violence that accompanied the last elections and his persecution of rivals comes out of the same mold.

In time, the political deadlock will wear down Gruevski’s image and influence. Understanding this, he is trying to exploit the current situation to control the machinery of power and find a way to make his policy look substantial. In that sense, it was a mistake for Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis to reply to his letter.

As long as Gruevski plays at being a crusader for nationalist fantasies, he will sink in the political morass. And as he sinks, he will act spasmodically and rather ridiculously. If he keeps this up, no one will take him seriously internationally. The Greek side should show patience. Only if he gets serious can he negotiate a solution, one that will reflect the reality of the region and not harm the interests of either side. Until then, the price that the Slav-Macedonians will pay will be much greater than they think it is today.
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Stop Gruevski before it’s too late.



Article by Athanasios Ellis
Kathimerini Newspaper 31 July 2008

The recent nationalist fervor of Nikola Gruevski, the prime minister of FYROM, warrants international intervention. At a time when Serbia is finally finding its European footing, the Balkans could do without an outbreak of separatism. If the USA wishes to realize its hope for stability in the region, it must stop Gruevski before it’s too late. The EU and NATO, the two clubs Skopje aspires to join, should act likewise.

Gruevski is no less provocative at home. The leader of the opposition was recently sent to jail while the country’s moderate president, Branko Crvenkovski, has slammed the premier’s populism.




The attitudes of Greece and FYROM are radically different and this is something that the international community should take into account. Most people in both states do not want to back down on the name issue. But while Greece’s political leaders have pushed for a reasonable and fair compromise, FYROM’s newly elected premier has veered in a blatantly nationalist direction. Instead of exploiting the presence in Greece of two mature political leaders, namely Costas Karamanlis and George Papandreou, Gruevski has pushed bilateral ties to the limit by sending bizarre letters in all directions.

Greece’s sober stand should not have escaped the UN, the Europeans and the Americans.

Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis has steered clear of Gruevski’s attempts to torpedo Matthew Nimetz’s mediation on the name dispute. PASOK shadow foreign minister Andreas Loverdos has kept a responsible, constructive stance, while the two left-wing parties have also not made any noises. As long as the Americans and Europeans allow Gruevski to pour more oil on the flames, they will strengthen populist voices on this side of the border, such as that of LAOS leader Giorgos Karatzaferis, who has said that the people of FYROM “should not play with fire because they could get their fingers scorched.”
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Old 08-02-2008, 01:38 AM
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This is getting funny.

Since you say there is no Macedonian minority and those letters of Gruevski are rubbish, you say that EU and the world know the truth and believes you, sooo..... WHY IS THIS PANIC ??? Why are you so scared of Gruevski and his letters? Maybe you are afraid of the truth and the real minority situation goes public? hm? Oh my god... this is getting more interesting that i expected.
While Gruevski was sending the letters you stayed home and you were laughing at him. Now you call for urgent action: PLEASE SOMEONE STOP HIM!!!

Well... stop him if you can.
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Old 08-02-2008, 01:55 AM
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Dont you worry,he will be getting his watch very soon.
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Old 08-02-2008, 05:57 AM
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This is getting funny.

Since you say there is no Macedonian minority and those letters of Gruevski are rubbish, you say that EU and the world know the truth and believes you, sooo..... WHY IS THIS PANIC ??? Why are you so scared of Gruevski and his letters? Maybe you are afraid of the truth and the real minority situation goes public? hm? Oh my god... this is getting more interesting that i expected.
While Gruevski was sending the letters you stayed home and you were laughing at him. Now you call for urgent action: PLEASE SOMEONE STOP HIM!!!

Well... stop him if you can.
As Federation of Hellenic Societies remarked..... "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes”.

Greek side is not in panic. We are not the side the sent "letters" in the world with ridiculous content. This dispute has a substantial historical background and is intimately linked with FYROMs openly expressed irredentist-destabilizing aspirations. The “minority rights” issues recently raised by the FYROM leadership are intended to promote these aspirations.

That's why EU, NATO, UN and even USA reject all these
bizarre letters.

We want more letters with the same content from Gruevski in order to expose FYROM Irredentismand nationalism in the world.
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This is getting funny.

Since you say there is no Macedonian minority and those letters of Gruevski are rubbish, you say that EU and the world know the truth and believes you, sooo..... WHY IS THIS PANIC ??? Why are you so scared of Gruevski and his letters? Maybe you are afraid of the truth and the real minority situation goes public? hm? Oh my god... this is getting more interesting that i expected.
While Gruevski was sending the letters you stayed home and you were laughing at him. Now you call for urgent action: PLEASE SOMEONE STOP HIM!!!

Well... stop him if you can.
panic is what u want to see with ur brainwashed eyes.

We are alarmed. Its not the first time u pseudomacedonists try to lay ur dirty hands on MACEDONIA.

The truth is in the books and on everything that comes out from the ground. And its Greek mate. History was written long before ur state was created.

As Akritas said, let him use all the paper of FYROM to send letters. But have u asked urself something? Have u ever thought what will happen IF everyone ignores Guevfski and the UMD rubbish? what will u do then? send signals to the universe and ask for "minority" and "language" recognision by the Cylons? And what if they ignore u as well?
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There is no such minority called "Macedonian" can u pls tell us Bulgaroeuroslav who are you referring to mate?
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Grujovisms:FYROM a stage before the… Balkan totalitarianism

Article by Christos Tellidis, Ethnos Newspaper, 3 Aug 2008

....is the term that is heard in FYROM by certain journalists, intellectuals but also politicians, in order to describe the antidemocratic deviation that experiences their country from FYROM PM Nikolas Gruevski and the company of "unknown" in the political scene, that has taken the power in the country the two last years.

The antidemocratic practices of FYROM Prime Minister, particularly afterwards the absolute majority that ensured in the FYROM Parliament, with prosecutions and arrests of political opponents, the effort to be debited the “traitor stigma” those who have different opinion and express it in public, the nationalistic hysteria but also the piracy that becomes round of the call national issues, they cause concern, who day with the day grows.

Are not absent somebodies that are afraid that Gruevski can be changed even in dictator and relative signs were heard finally in the demonstration of SDSM [Social Democratic Alliance of Macedonia] for the arrest of vice-president of Zoran Zaev.

However something like that cannot become in a country that is candidate for integration in the European Union, as it wrote these days in the big circulation newspaper " Utrinski Vesnik" , Gjorgji Spasov professor of political sciences, former ambassador of FYROM in the Great Britain, which was minister of Justice in two services, in the decade the 90 “Today Gruevski is under continuous follow-up from those in the Brussels, which himself faces them as enemies of the country", as marked.

Gjorgji Spasov hobby is to gather political jokes, but unfortunately only as such as cannot be considered today the FYROM Prime Minister.

On the contrary, Spasov attributes the characterization of serial killer policy in FYROM "If certain politically powerful, as the Gruevski, wishes to disappears you and works for this, using all the available means, in a country where the bodies of system and state of justice are not particularly powerful and capable to offer protection, then it can him achieve ", it marks and it invokes the nightmarish threat that it has it addresses states in the political opponents of SDSM saying that their "party should touch the bottom so that it becomes a constructive patriotic Opposition ".

Gruevski after cultivated the expectations for integration of country in the NATO, affixing at the same time the intolerance opposite in Greece, hurried to exploits with the extreme way the climate that was created in the Slavmacedonian people afterwards the negative development in Bucharest.

As remarked Spasov following Greece's veto in Bucharest, Gruevski was ….easy reinforce the nation's indignation with Europe, Greece, and even the United States. It was easy to say to your own people, "we are the good ones, but the others do not understand what is good." It was easy to raise nationalist euphoria in the form of a defensive nationalism, presenting and treating as traitors all those who do not share your opinion. It was easy to create a patriotic front similar to the Socialist people's front, which used to defend us from the enemies of Communism. As some journalists would say, this is patriotic hysteria and piracy.

With a series of "patriotic" laws, that forecast big fines of thousands of Euros and sentences of imprisonment, Gruesvski attempts to sets up a past third world regime that does not have no relation with the countries of current EU

Thus the professionals were compelled to acquire all the said "patriotic" cash registers so that they cut the proofs for the sales that concern exclusively the local products of FYROM.! All the plates-sign n the shops or in the public should be exclusive in the said "Cyrillic Macedonian writing", while outlaws those that write the language with Latin letters.And those who trait the national currency “denar” and will use in the transactions the Euro or other currencies, they will be faced roughly as… traitors, after forecasted sentences of imprisonment up to five years.

In the top FYROM President Branko Crvenkovski is offended and is blackmailed with control of all his assets and his banking deposits in all the neighbouring countries and is faced as a political opponent that should must undermined.The approximately hundred laws that passed from the Parliament, without discussion, the most at the time of the abstention of Opposition, grow the concerns that adopt and the factors of EU and OCSE.

also read and this commentary

http://modern-macedonian-history.blo...re-balkan.html
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This is getting funny.

Since you say there is no Macedonian minority and those letters of Gruevski are rubbish, you say that EU and the world know the truth and believes you, sooo..... WHY IS THIS PANIC ??? Why are you so scared of Gruevski and his letters? Maybe you are afraid of the truth and the real minority situation goes public? hm? Oh my god... this is getting more interesting that i expected.
While Gruevski was sending the letters you stayed home and you were laughing at him. Now you call for urgent action: PLEASE SOMEONE STOP HIM!!!

Well... stop him if you can.
I agree with Euro. Gruevski is a friend of Greece and his actions are a blessing to all those Greeks like me that want to see the complete dismantling of that country. I believe that 99% of Vardarskans do not want to annex northern Greece, but that 1 % of lunatics have managed to paint the rest of them with the Greek propaganda. People like Gruevski are the biggest enemy of Vardarska, but you get the government you deserve. Stupid is what stupid does.

The cruel reality is that Vardarska is completely incapable of retain the Albanian minority within its boarders let alone the laughable argument that they can take over Northern Greece.

You people are not Macedonians your incompetence proves it.

I agree with you Euro….. funny name as only through Greece’s approval will you become a euro. See how stupid your entire people are. The Greek politicians must be laughing their heads off with each move our friend Guervski makes.

Vardarskan President for life Gruevski hiphip Huray!!!!
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This is getting funny.

Since you say there is no ********** minority and those letters of Gruevski are rubbish, you say that EU and the world know the truth and believes you, sooo..... WHY IS THIS PANIC ??? Why are you so scared of Gruevski and his letters? Maybe you are afraid of the truth and the real minority situation goes public? hm? Oh my god... this is getting more interesting that i expected.
While Gruevski was sending the letters you stayed home and you were laughing at him. Now you call for urgent action: PLEASE SOMEONE STOP HIM!!!

Well... stop him if you can.
The "real minority situation" has been "going public" since 1991 when you declared independence from Yugoslavia.

Either you like it or not, there is nothing more left to go public after almost two decades.

Of course we are taking action, even to the hilarious letters of Mr. Gruevski, and we take action real time, but we are certainly not under duress or panic.
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