The Fyromians from Hunza are coming back home!.

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Hellenization = (When , How , by Whom) ???

"Money talks and bullsh*t walks !!!!"

"In every situation the real condition is unique , but the false conditions are infinite"

Look whose talking?

Where is your explanation of my question?

Btw like I said it doesn't matter.

Ok. I will acknowledge they were hellenes.
Will that change anything?
I have hellenic roots and now what will happen?
Come on men. You know that wont change anything.

Can you acknowledge that the macedonians after 2300 years had defined their own identity separate from the hellenic just like the english from the german?
If we go back 1500 years the english would speak german.
If we go back 2300 years the macedonians would speak a greek dialect.
But today everything is different!
So. Now what?

[gmellos]

Originally Posted by ZZm

Look whose talking?

Where is your explanation of my question?

Btw like I said it doesn't matter.

Ok. I will acknowledge they were hellenes.
Will that change anything?
I have hellenic roots and now what will happen?
Come on men. You know that wont change anything.

Can you acknowledge that the macedonians after 2300 years had defined their own identity separate from the hellenic just like the english from the german?
If we go back 1500 years the english would speak german.
If we go back 2300 years the macedonians would speak a greek dialect.
But today everything is different!
So. Now what?

Actually The English spoke a Saxon/Celtic/Latin language and NEVER had German indentity! To compare the two is silly at least try the Italian nation and you have a better shot!

Also the ORGINIAL inhabitants of the Eglish Isles where Celtic, Pictic and Proto Irish!

Also how can Painonians a Thranican/Illyrian tribe become Ancient Macedonian, become Romanised and NOW take on a Slavic identity and still been considered "Macedonian"??? That sounds F'ing confused to me!!

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by ZZm

Can you acknowledge that the macedonians after 2300 years had defined their own identity separate from the hellenic just like the english from the german?
If we go back 1500 years the english would speak german.
If we go back 2300 years the macedonians would speak a greek dialect.
But today everything is different!
So. Now what?

Disambiguations:

1) Every Greek State (City State or Kingdom) had it's own identity
2) About English ...it's not German ..but GERMANIC language ...so an Anglosaxon never spoke German ..he spoke the Germanic Old English.

3) Your analogy is outscaled. You see the Germanic Group is a linguistic set. The Greek language is a dialectical set. There is great difference on your ORDER GRADE (10^1=10,10^2=100,10^3=1000 ...for example ..different ORDER GRADES).

Interlinguistic sets > languges > language > dialect

PGSB = proto-GERMANIC-SLAVOBALTIC =>> GERMANIC + SLAVO-BALTIC

GERMANIC GROUP => South , West ,North Germanic languages

One of the Germanic languages (NOT dialects) was the Anglo-Saxon that finished in England.


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Comparing English and German languages with Macedonian and other greek dialects is like comparing the couple tiger-monkey with the couple Eskimoe-Black. The first couple contains different species of mammals and the second couple contains different sub-species (races) of the same specie (Homo Sapiens (Sapiens)).

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by kostas68

The use of Greek terms in Mathematics,Physic,Medicine e.t.c. is one thing,and the usurpation of a Greek name and a big part of the Greek history is another.We feel pride for the first,because the global community honours our history and legacy using these Greek terms,but we feel exasperation for the second,because a bunch of apateones and kleftokotades (frauds and chicken thiefs) like Stefov,Tentov,Donski e.t.c. is trying to dishonour our history and legacy claiming that it belongs to them.

Thats is your problem men. I really don't understand your logic. Who knows maybe cause you don't have one. How can be different?
Its different cause you make it different!
And if people like, you know, are not telling the true and the whole international scientific community does not take them seriously than what is the problem?
I really don't get it. If I engage with a idiot(I'm not saying that they are idiots I'm just making an example) I do not argue with him especially if the truth is on my side!
This is name dispute is bigger than just is your name and many of you know that!
So cut the crap.

Yes,according to Christianity we are all brothers,but according to ethnology,history e.t.c we are not,since i am the Macedonian and you are...i don't call you Bulgarian if you cosider it as insult,but i think it's not offensive to call you Slav,and you can't find a decent historian who claims that ancient Macedonians spoke Slavic instead Greek.

Its not ok my friend in the church world to mix politics. After all we are all the same in the eyes of God.
So they(church) should be more understanding and not to be racist and worry for the "earth" disputes.

You know very well that the Gypsies are people who can't be assimilated so easily,so don't think that they are considered as ethnic Greeks.As for the surfixes,they hadn't any surnames till the early 20th century,so they accepted probably the names that the clerks who catalogued them invented and i don't tink they protested for the surfix.

Oh so now they did not protested?
Of course. Everyone wants to be a greek!

What change?The original inscriptions on these icons were Greek,the cyrilic were added very later.Do you believe that your compatriots haven't wipe out many Greek inscription from the old churches in Ohrid and Monastir?

I do not know that. If you have evidence post them here but till than its just a speculation and a way to redeem your self.
I saw very much of that here, but you did that then so we get back at you and we are justified to do that.
Bullsh*t!

Yeah,the same story,the Greek propagandists who transformed all the people to Greeks with a touch of their magical cane.Have you ever heard about the propaganda of the <Macedonists> ?This was the birth certificate of the <Macedonian> ethnicity,signed by 2 Serbians:

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What the hell are you talkin men?
You are the ones who speak of magical cane!
We all know about the greek, bulgarian and serbian propagandas through the churches and schools!
So tell me who of these opened up macedonian schools and churches to teach them that they are macedonians?
Its not enough to show me only ideas.
By your theory both the bulgarians and the serbs wanted macedonians not we.
Now that crazy shit men!

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by gmellos

why argue with zzm??? He doesn't argue as normal person! he uses "you're a sad culture and or nation" or the classic "whatever " I say unless he starts to debate as a normal person ban his ass!

Why are you getting so pissed men?
I don't take this too seriously, especially the history part.
Just killing time and practising my english. I got rusty plus who knows maybe I will learn something.

So chill out since nothing depends of our discussion cause either way we will not be the ones who will decide or ask us for the solution of our dispute.

So relax. Ok?

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by gmellos

Actually The English spoke a Saxon/Celtic/Latin language and NEVER had German indentity! To compare the two is silly at least try the Italian nation and you have a better shot!

Also the ORGINIAL inhabitants of the Eglish Isles where Celtic, Pictic and Proto Irish!

And what happened with their language? I mean the natives of Scotland and Ireland and their language.
Why everybody speak english?

Also how can Painonians a Thranican/Illyrian tribe become Ancient Macedonian, become Romanised and NOW take on a Slavic identity and still been considered "Macedonian"??? That sounds F'ing confused to me!!

Sh*t happens during that long period of time.

Btw I still can understand how almost everything in Greece doesn't have greek roots and still its greek!

So I'm confused too.

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by ZZm

Thats is your problem men. I really don't understand your logic. Who knows maybe cause you don't have one. How can be different?Its different cause you make it different!

Yeah,it can be different,the world isn't as you was taught in your semi-fascistic and heavy influenced by the totalitarian regime society,where every logic voice and democratic procedure was strangled,so wake up and escape to reality which is very different as you have ever imagined.

Originally Posted by ZZm

And if people like, you know, are not telling the true and the whole international scientific community does not take them seriously than what is the problem?

So who is taken seriously by the whole international community,Stefov,Tentov,Donski e.t.c?Tell me one decent foreign scholar who accepts all this bulshit that these clowns wrote?

Originally Posted by ZZm

I really don't get it. If I engage with a idiot(I'm not saying that they are idiots I'm just making an example) I do not argue with him especially if the truth is on my side!

Maybe i should follow this.

Originally Posted by ZZm

This is name dispute is bigger than just is your name and many of you know that!
So cut the crap.

Even more biger is our determination to protect what belong to us,our history and our legacy.This is something that people like you without history and past would never be able to understand,that's your problem.Reality is more different than Tito teached you.

Originally Posted by ZZm

Oh so now they did not protested?
Of course. Everyone wants to be a greek!

They didn't protest because Gypsies actually don't care about such things.Why should i believe you that most Gypsies in FYROM haven't a -ski in their names?I heard that even many Turks/Moslems have names like Mustafovski and Ibrahimovski.

Originally Posted by ZZm

I do not know that. If you have evidence post them here but till than its just a speculation and a way to redeem your self.
I saw very much of that here, but you did that then so we get back at you and we are justified to do that.
Bullsh*t!

Why you don't post your evidence,about the cyrillic inscriptions in Greek churches?

Originally Posted by ZZm

What the hell are you talkin men?
You are the ones who speak of magical cane!
We all know about the greek, bulgarian and serbian propagandas through the churches and schools!

So tell me,how these schools transformed the children to Greeks,Bulgarians or Serbians,eh?Oh i got it!They wrote on the blackboard 20 times <We are Greeks> (or Bulgarians,Serbians) and that's all?Why their parents sent the children to those bad propagandistic schools,since they were proud <Macedonians> who wanted to maintain their ethnicity?Didn't they know that the bad teachers would transform their poor children from <Macedonians> to Greeks,Bulgarians or Serbians?Why they didn't found their own <Makedontsi> schools,to teach their own language and history and keep their <Macedonskiness> ?Why they didn't request by the Ottomans to establish their own <Macedonian> church,like the Bulgarians and the Serbs?Can you give me a logic answer?I have one :Because no one at that time,or at least very few considered themselves ethnic <Macedonians>

Originally Posted by ZZm

So tell me who of these opened up macedonian schools and churches to teach them that they are macedonians?
Its not enough to show me only ideas.
By your theory both the bulgarians and the serbs wanted macedonians not we.
Now that crazy shit men!

As you read in the book i quoted,Tito created your language,opened schools wich teached you that you are <Macedonians>,but he did also something more effective:He persecuted all those who reacted to their debulgarization,by trials,imprisonements and death sentences.

[Demetrius Doukas]

ZZm.............the scopian syndrome is a real disease with symptoms of sick brain and aggresive nerve paroxysms as well......

[Astoria]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Nice tree andrew. I guess when they were planting 200,000 trees a few months ago, they missed the most important one.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Astoria

Nice tree andrew. I guess when they were planting 200,000 trees a few months ago, they missed the most important one.

And guess what language is missing from the south slavic group ???

I see only Serbo-Croatian , Slovenian ...and Bulgarian !!!!