The Fyromians from Hunza are coming back home!.

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis

Justinian I was not Latin but Illyrian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justinian#Life

"Justinian, born in 482,[4] was a Latin-speaking[5] Illyrian[6][7] peasant from a small village called Tauresium..."

As a result, he could not possibly be proud of a Roman origin that he did not have.

I know that he is from a illyrian origin.
Tell me then how is it possible a vlach, arvanite, gypsy, slav, christian turk, armenian, etc be proud of his hellenic origin?

Not really. The Rosetta stone was written in both Greek and Egyptian, and the two Egyptian texts were above the Greek text. Coptic still survives as a language. The Egyptians were partially Hellenized because Alexander the Great conquered Egypt. Why was Macedonia Hellenized? Did a Greek army conquer Macedonia?

Rome conquered Greece, but greek culture conquered Rome!
It seems that even today everybody wants to be a greek.

No, your movement was created as a reaction to the Greek, Bulgarian and Serbian educational systems. Still, it was weaker than any of the above until 1944.

Well Andrew says that we've been makedonized by the serbs and the bulgarians.

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

Originally Posted by ZZm

I know that he is from a illyrian origin.
Tell me then how is it possible a vlach, arvanite, gypsy, slav, christian turk, armenian, etc be proud of his hellenic origin?


Rome conquered Greece, but greek culture conquered Rome!
It seems that even today everybody wants to be a greek.


Well Andrew says that we've been makedonized by the serbs and the bulgarians.

The Vlachs and the Arvanites of Greece and Balkans that feel Greek, speak Greek like they have always speak Greek from their granfathers and ancestors and have the Greek consciousness, have every right to be Greeks, especially when the anthropological, ethnological, and genetic results of Thrace University with Mr Ksyrotiris, anthropoligist Mr Poulianos and genetist Mr Triantafyllidis that show the Greek identity of the Greek people from the area of mountain Pindos. Greeks were all around Balkans from palaeolithic times, and Balkan countries still find Greek relics. The Fyromian psychos from the other hand, find Greek Stone Tablets with Greek, and Greek statues and call them as there own, and the whole worlds is laughing at them!

And definitely, some people want to find a link with ancient Greece in order to preserve their identity crisis and severe inferiority issues! You are the brightest example! And yes wheter you like it or nor, you are just a google away form the Greek Roman times.

Also, the Rosseta Stone is a Tablet with Egyptian, Demotic and Greek language WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, and there is nothing you can do to change it, except of becoming a joke in the national scientific community!

I am sorry for the psychological issues you have and the inferiority feelings that chase and haunt you, but this is something you must resolve on your own! At least since you try to be Macedonian wannabes and feel similar to the Greeks, try to act like one!

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Andrew

ZZm , we are talking about Byzantine era , aka post-Hellenistic !!!!!

I was just making a point.
The hellenistic era was over but her influence could not been overthrown by the roman culture. And there you see it was "reborn" after few centuries.
I was just making a point of how strong was the hellenistic culture and that its very easy for people who don't have their own alphabet and to have weak culture to be hellenized.

If you wanna apply the"hellenization" theory to the Ancient Macedonians you have to answer me:

1) When & Which Hellenic city state started it ??

Be carefull what date you'll say because in Aiane , Macedonia we have found an inscription in LINEAR B (greek mycenaean writing) dating. And be carefull non to say Athens and the Ionian colonies in the macedonian coast ..since there are tones of evidence (names,months,Pella curse tablet) to say that the Macedonians spoke a northwestern greek dialect.

3) Comparison : Thrace !!

Thrace was colonized by Ionians also in 750 BC !!
The noble thracians started to hellenize themselves around 400 BC and the full hellenization of south Thrace occured around 250 BC ...500 YEARS !! after the Greek colonies and after Philip had vassalized the Thracian kingdoms. There is a 500 year latency period between the greek colonies and the mass hellenization.

All the Thracian cities that were builted before their Hellenization HAD THRACIAN NAMES (favorite endings -bria and -dama , which in Thracian language mean "city" and "settlement") ..after the hellenization you have the first greek city names in the new cities (example Lisimakheia of Lisimakhos). To make an example the city of Adrianople was the Thracian Uskudama ...it remained Uscudama until the roman Emperor Hadrian changed it to Adrianopolis.

Now ..where are the Macedonian toponyms that show an early non hellenic background ?????

Let me help you the oldest Macedonian city (beofre 600 BC) names are :
Lebaea (λέβης = water deposit , hence modern greek λέβητας) it was named like this because it was near the lake of Haliakmon.
Aigai ("goats") ...the first Temenid Capital
Aigidion = "little settlement of goats"
Berroea = knowing the macedonian substitution of φ to β ..it is simply Φέρροια
= φερειν ροή = incoming flux , simply because Berroea is at the entrance of Haliakmon in the Central Macedonian Plane.
Λείβηθρον = in Pieria ("canals of flux" in the "well chosen region" (Πῖαρ = top milk , well chosen)

Emathia (Ημαθία) = "sandy region" since homer uses many times ημαθόεν for "sandy".

Now Pieria and Emathia are mentioned by Homer 750 BC !!!
And we have the Linear B' inscription found in Aiane , dating 1300 BC !!!

..So I ask you when did the Macedonians got hellenized ????

I remembered where I read about that greek commanders in Alexander army that did not understood his orders. It was not plutarch.
http://www.livius.org/maa-mam/macedonia/macedonia.html
I'm sure that you know this link.
So tell me. Is there a room for doubt for the language of the ancient macedonians?

Btw you did not answered the question.
So I think that your theory is CRAP and cannot be applied!
And my theory is under dispute since there is room for doubt!
Time will show. Maybe new evidence will emerge or a theory to be recognized.

Do you agree?

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by gmellos

yes because it doesn't suit your nations dellusions!! YOU ONLY accept with suit's you and discard the rest!

Geez. You are not one of the brightest "stars" here!

I DISREGARD WHOLE WORLD HISTORY AS INCONCLUSIVE, THAT MEANS MINE TOO!

My two quotes that I have as signature are for what I stand for!

The way history is read is just causing problems to the present and the future, and is pretty stupid to argue about something that is 2300 years old or to try to link your self with it.

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Ariadni_Nefeli

The Vlachs and the Arvanites of Greece and Balkans that feel Greek, speak Greek like they have always speak Greek from their granfathers and ancestors and have the Greek consciousness, have every right to be Greeks, especially when the anthropological, ethnological, and genetic results of Thrace University with Mr Ksyrotiris, anthropoligist Mr Poulianos and genetist Mr Triantafyllidis that show the Greek identity of the Greek people from the area of mountain Pindos. Greeks were all around Balkans from palaeolithic times, and Balkan countries still find Greek relics. The Fyromian psychos from the other hand, find Greek Stone Tablets with Greek, and Greek statues and call themas there own, and the whole worlds is laughing at them!

And definitely, some people want to find a link with ancient Greece in order to preserve their identity crisis and severe inferiority issues! You are the brightest example! And yes wheter you like it or nor, you are just a google away form the Greek Roman times.

Also, the Rosseta Stone is a Tablet with Egyptian, Demotic and Greek language WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, and there is nothing you can do to change it, except of becoming a joke in the national scientific community!

I am sorry for the psychological issues you have and the inferiority feelings that chase and haunt you, but this is something you must resolve on your own! At least since you try to be Macedonian wannabes and feel similar to the Greeks, try to act like one!

Blah, Blah, Blah ...
You just believe in your crap!

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

Originally Posted by ZZm

Blah, Blah, Blah ...
You just believe in your crap!

AHahAaAHhahHAHa!

No answer as always!

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

So he throwed a bomb without taking out the safety catch,instead of a cell phone,oh now everything makes more sence. Btw that scene just shows with what kind of army UCK was dealing,not a big deal indeed.And they were FYROM-ian elite troops.

What NO comment on Arachinovo?
Do you read anything that I write or you just act dumb and don't wanna see like all your illitirate and criminal copatriots?
UCK is nothing.
We saw them in Kosovo and in Macedonia. A laughing joke!
We had 70 dead. Only 3 or 4 were killed in face to face with your "brave" soldiers, the others were killed in ambushes or land mines and the most of them were reserves or voluntaries.
And he throw without taking the safety switch off cause he was caught in surprise.
And why would he throw a cell phone at a cop?
I think that my theory is better!

Don't take it personal ZZm, if you are not able to reply in an educated and calm manner then just avoid me.

If you lie I take it personal!
If you say something true I will back you.

But i understand your irritation,you don't controll,rule ore even know your "own" country, you don't have a name, and your denial of your Bulgarian roots leaves you even without history.This is not only sad by tragic.

Blah, Blah, Blah ...

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Ariadni_Nefeli

AHahAaAHhahHAHa!

No answer as always!

I don't answer stupid comments!

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by ZZm

I remembered where I read about that greek commanders in Alexander army that did not understood his orders. It was not plutarch.
http://www.livius.org/maa-mam/macedonia/macedonia.html
I'm sure that you know this link.
So tell me. Is there a room for doubt for the language of the ancient macedonians?

Can you quote us an ancient author who wrote that?Can you show us the concrete excpert where it says that <Alexander was not understood by the Greeks when he shouted an order in his native tongue and the Greek commander Eumenes needed a translator to address the soldiers of the Macedonian phalanx>?Who wrote that?You found that in the website livius.org and you thought that it was written by....the Roman Livius?Do you know what exactly wrote Livius about the language that Macedonians spoke:

Titus Livius in his work The History of Rome says that Macedonians spoke the same language as that of Aetolians and Acarnanians, undoubtedly Greek tribes:
<Trifling causes occasionally unite and disunite the Aetolians, Acarnanians, and Macedonians, men speaking the same language. With foreigners, with barbarians, all Greeks have, and ever will have, eternal war: because they are enemies by nature, which is always the same, and not from causes which change with the times>.
Any comment?As for this livius.org website,everyone can assert whatever he wants,but since he can't document it with any testimony,it's only words,and as the Romans said: <Scripta manent,verba volant>.

[Vasot]

Originally Posted by ZZm

I don't answer stupid comments!

Actually you just did that

Originally Posted by ZZm

Blah, Blah, Blah ...
You just believe in your crap!

What did you expected ??
To believe in your Fyromian propaganda shit