Boskovski's speech

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Dimitar. M

Whao this is so tipical. The guy is guilty even thought he was released a day ago from an international court.

And what lack of evidence. Did you saw the trial?? There were abundant proovs that he wasn't guilty for anything. So stop blaiming the man for something that he was released for.

What do you expect Dimce?
They would first side with the devil than to recognizes us.
Probably some of them will compare Boskovski with Hitler.

[Amarantos]

Originally Posted by ZZm

Probably some of them will compare Boskovski with Hitler.

You are the experts in such kind of comparisons. The extremist you got as a PM, the first among others.

[Draco]

Originally Posted by ZZm

Probably some of them will compare Boskovski with Hitler.

More Paeonian Bulgar BS, Boskovski-Hitler is a much better comparason than this.

[ZZm]

Originally Posted by Amarantos

You are the experts in such kind of comparisons. The extremist you got as a PM, the first among others.

Stop watching greek media!

[Amarantos]

Originally Posted by ZZm

Stop watching greek media!

Ha ha, it's always fault of the greek media.

"When I speak about our history, my feeling and intention is best described through the words of former Israeli PM Ehud Barak, uttered at the holocaust conference in 2000, 'Although I have forgiven, I swore not to forget anything and remember everything. The care for one's past, the non-forgetting is another trait of the civilized world. It represents the foundation of identity'", said Gruevski.

Gathering participants are to adopt a declaration on the Greek ""genocide"" on """"Macedonians""".

http://www.mia.com.mk/portal/page?_pageid=113,166290&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&VestID=44713810&prikaz=3

As a PM of a candidate state to the EU and NATO, Gruevski should be ashamed to dynamite with false and fraudulent accusations the relations with a state already member of those two organizations, against which noone EVER IN HISTORY adressed acusations as those your extremist PM is refering to.
The comparison he made is an offence to Greek people and to the Jews as well who suffered a REAL genocide.

No greek media as you see, just your fanatic and dangerous PM.

[Grace]

Originally Posted by Melbourne

The Albanians should riot in the west and withdraw from Parliament, after all Gruevski and co have welcomed back a war criminal.

As I understand it, he was also responsible for the killing of those Pakistani illegal immigrants who they claimed were terrorists.

I remember reading about those Pakistanis. IIRC it was FYROM wanting to get in the news as a "reliable partner against terror."


On the other point: Albanians have no rational reason to do so, it will hurt the Albanian cause, while serving Serbia ('Albanians are troublemakers /Kosovo precedent' and Greece that wants FYROM to go. What would Albanians gain? Nothing they cannot get 10 years from now, when Albania is stronger. Greece on the other hand is handing out checks to Southern Albanians to say that they're Greeks, has not recognized Kosova, it is stirring trouble in Himara and wants Albania's Church leader to be a Greek, fully knowing the role that Greek church plays in Greek politics.

Greeks have invested in Albania but it isn't because of charity and they have no reason to deny Albania's NATO membership (you can't just say no when all others agree, it isn't as simple.) When Albania does something to protect it's nationality you return 100,000 immigrants as a warning.
FYI: Most Albanians view Greece as a much bigger threat and for a good reason.

[Draco]

Originally Posted by Grace

Greece on the other hand is handing out checks to Southern Albanians to say that they're Greeks

Originally Posted by Grace

[Greece] has not recognized Kosova

Why should we? We have nothing to gain from recognizing an illegal declaration of independence. Kosovo should gain independence from Serbia in the same way that Greece gained independence from the Ottoman Empire: with the parent state's consent.

Originally Posted by Grace

wants Albania's Church leader to be a Greek, fully knowing the role that Greek church plays in Greek politics

No it doesn't. The Albanian Orthodox Church didn't get an Albanian leader because there were no eligible candidates after half a century of Hoxhaism. Because Orthodox prelates hold their sees until they die, are deposed for breach of church law or ill health, or retire/resign, you'll have to wait for an Albanian archbishop.

[Amarantos]

Originally Posted by Grace

Greeks have invested in Albania but it isn't because of charity and they have no reason to deny Albania's NATO membership (you can't just say no when all others agree, it isn't as simple.) When Albania does something to protect it's nationality you return 100,000 immigrants as a warning.
FYI: Most Albanians view Greece as a much bigger threat and for a good reason.

Investments are never made for charity. They serve worldwide to bring profit to the investor ,while bringing prosperity at the same time to the place they are made, your country, in this case. This prosperity contributes to the improvement of the quality of life and people hopefully begin to understand that what once they "viewed as a bigger threat" was only a banch of BS. The information you gave us ,if true, is dissapointing for the majority of the albanians mentality, intelligence etc.
Finally, those "100,000 immigrants" you claim are returned to Albania, are obviously ILLEGAL immigrants. There is not reason for you to join the skopjans on their silly cry of "protecting their nationality" from "big bad Greece".

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by ZZm

Does he have a power to do anything?

You would know

Do you know that thanks to you greeks and your fear that we will attack you and retake of what was ours I feel powerful?

If you think that's what Greeks fear than you are as dumb as a box of rocks

. Greeks don't like others taking our history away from us.

Wow I can see the headings in the foreign newspapers:" it seems that history repeats it selfs, 8000 macedonian soldiers defeated 240 000 greek soldiers, Greece is again under macedonian rule"!

Wouldn't that be under Bulgarian rule

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by ZZm

Actually Boskovski is not even near to Karadjaferis nationalistic believes.

No, Karatzaferis has not been pictured yet with an irredentist map.

Oh really?
What about the "freedom" fighters?
There were 12 ********** civilians that were taken from their houses and till today their families don't know where they are.
What about the 4 construction workers that were kidnapped and were tortured and albanian terrorists wrote their initials on their bodies with knives?
The owners of a motel near Tetovo were tied to one of the pillars and blown up with it by the albanian terrorists.
Tell me something.
Who answered for this crimes?

You should have given to the Albanians the amount of seats in your parliament that they deserved, not to "forget" to reassign the electoral districts according to your population changes, prior to 2001. Either you like it or not, the Albanans had a LEGITIMATE reason to rebel: You did not respect their democratic right to representation.

Otherwise, they committed terrorist acts and they should get prosecuted for these acts. As it seems, the west believes firmly that your government was primarily responsible for igniting the rebellion, and that is why they indicted Boskoski. The west did not indict people who had no political or state job. This was left to your shoulders.

Unfortunately, you failed to pursue the terrorist acts from both sides. This was a mistake of your police and judiciary. In any case, both your folks and the Albanians committed terrorist acts. This is none of our business, no terrorist acts of that scale have been conducted within Greece recently, and whatever other terrorist acts took place, have attracted the attention both of the Greek police and the Greek judiciary, resulting to arrest and detention of terrorists.

Your hatred toward us so great that you are putting Boskovski side by side with those mass murders.

That's where he belongs. The murder of the six Pakistanis and one Indian proves it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljube_B...Lozja_incident

"On 2 March 2002, at approximately 4:00 a.m. local time (UTC+1 GMT), seven allegedly armed militants, six of them being Pakistani citizens and another being an Indian citizen, were shot dead in Raštanski Lozja near the village of Ljuboten, close to the ********** border with Serbia. The men were shot by the Lions (**********: Лавови), an elite special operations tactical unit formed after the 2001 ********* conflict in order to aid against acts of terrorism and for emergency deployment in rural combat areas.[1]

The murders caused public outrage in Pakistan and the victims' families accused ********** officials of killing the men as an act of further enhancing their status in the War on Terror which the ********** government supports. The international media claimed the men were killed "to impress the US" in what ********** police spokeswoman, Mirjana Konteska, claims was "...an act of a sick mind" and that they had "lost their lives in a staged murder."[2] Senior police officials claimed that the seven men were killed after a police patrol was ambushed by the Pakistani group, but Konteska said a forensics and ballistics investigation confirmed the operation was staged.

Ljube Boškoski, whom many believe ordered the killings, denies the allegations made by the media and the victims' families. Boškoski made a statement suggesting that the men were associated with a terrorist group and had planned an attack on the British, American and German embassies in the ********** capital of Skopje.[3] A court of law acquitted 4 members of the ********** security forces, who were tried as a result of the incident; the court ruled that the killings were not a staged act."

I pitty you.

We don't give a shit about you.

Tarchulovski was convicted for three murders and he got 12 years in prison.
If there were crimes made by our forces they should answer.
But cause non of the albanian terrorists answered for they crimes in ********* why should our forces do which were leggitimated unlike the terrorists. In Kosovo was the same. You saw that Ramush Haradinay was set free.

Your forces were not legitimate because your parliaments' composition did not reflect the real composition of your population back then, since you undercounted the Albanians. In any case, it is your judicial systems' obligation to persecute all of those who committed terrorist acts. Maybe you should try to convince your government to go on and prosecute both Boskoski for the assissinations of the Pakistanis and the Indian, as well as the Albanians who ordered the terrorist actions from their side.

It seems that only Serbs, Croats and *********** are convicted by Hague while those "angels" are set free to run the drug traffic!

The civilized Croats managed to start prosecuting the Croatian war criminals on their own:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirko_Norac

"Mirko Norac (born September 19, 1967) is a former general of the Croatian Army and is regarded by many Croatians as a national hero. However in 2003 he was the first general of the Croatian Army to be found guilty of war crimes by a Croatian court after intense pressure and demand from the Hague, and is serving a 12 year sentence[1] for the Gospić massacre of Serb civilians. In May 2008 he was sentenced to 7 years of prison for war crimes in the Operation Medak Pocket."

That's why the Croatians deserve to enter the E.U. Neither you nor Serbia not Bosnia/Hezegovina has managed to do the same with your war criminals and terrorists. Kossovo is a special case, as it does not exist under international war, and Serbia cannot force its' rule there either.

You have not prosecuted the war criminals from either side, and thus you do not deserve to enter the E.U.