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Old 06-25-2008, 05:16 PM
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24 June 2008 Brussels _ The French government has confirmed that Macedonia might not advance in its EU integration before it settles the name dispute with Greece.

“If there is no resolution on the name, the perspective of FYROM’s (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia – the country’s provisional name at the United Nations) integration in the EU is effectively limited,” Jean-Pierre Jouyet, the French minister for State and European affairs told journalists in Brussels.

France is openly supporting the Greek government in the name dispute with Macedonia. On several occasions, French President Nicolas Sarkozy has confirmed that he is “on (Greek Prime Minister Costas) Karamanlis’s side.” Jouyet stressed that this is the official position of the whole French government.

Jouyet participated in a Balkans summit in Brussels, and presented some of the key priorities of the upcoming French presidency of the European Union, which starts on July 1. Antonio Milososki, Macedonia’s Foreign Minister also participated in the conference and emphasised that the name issue has become an “evergreen dispute.”

“Macedonia’s name is disproportionally more known than the size of our country,” Milosoki said.

However, he confirmed the commitment of the Macedonian government to continue with the UN-mediated talks. “We will use this opportunity to say that one small nation has a right to national self-determination and preserving its own national name,” Milososki said.

Greece is conditioning Macedonia to solve the 17 year-long dispute before the country starts accession talks with the EU. Macedonia has been an EU candidate country since 2005 and is waiting for a date for the start of accession talks.

Greece opposes Skopje’s use of the name ‘Republic of Macedonia’ arguing it could lead Skopje to make territorial claims on the northern Greek province of the same name.

The Greek position on conditioning Macedonia’s integration to the resolution of the name row has been criticised by some members of the European Parliament.

Doris Pack, head of the delegation for Southeast Europe in the European Parliament asked Greece to act responsibly.

“EU countries that are neighbours to EU candidate countries should act responsibly and should realise that they too, needed friends before entering the EU,” Pack said at the conference. “Bilateral problems should not be an obstacle as they were not the case in previous enlargements.”

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boohooohooo

play victim again u Lenin lookalike geek
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play victim again u Lenin lookalike geek

Hi troll... trolling, name calling and abuse is not allowed in these forums! I get banned all the time for this.. just letting you know so you don't get banned..

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Old 06-26-2008, 05:58 AM
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The things are simple. No reason, no NATO, no EU, no stability thus Illyrida.
Pretending being the victim of the whole case having a PM who prsented flowers to a monument which central subject was an irridentic map where the greek province of Macedonia was presented to be part of Skopje, well it is at the least hilarious!
I would assume that Skopian politicians should get a grip before they deepen their people in more despair.
They are no longer necessary for US and if they have any sense whatsoever they must rip the profits of their stance towards the creation of an independent Kososvo the soonest if not now before it will be too late. ( Thus a compound name such as Nova Macedonia).
Next stop if they don t reason and continue their irridentic approach with a victims face: mother Bulgaria and ... Illyrida.
By the way could any Skopian comment on the fact that one of the two major albanian parties reject the legality of the elections and thus the right of Grueski to govern ane negotiate?
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I seriously doubt that the 'help' from these 'friends' wasn't out of the goodness of their heart... Greece has been a buffer state for the EU for many years, bearing the brunt of both immigrants entering Europe, and military spending.

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They are no longer necessary for US and if they have any sense whatsoever they must rip the profits of their stance towards the creation of an independent Kososvo the soonest if not now before it will be too late. ( Thus a compound name such as Nova Macedonia).
I'll say it again, Nova Makedonija (not Macedonia) is a huge accomplishment for the Skopianese side. The only acceptable solution for the Greek side should be a solution that is one name and not compound
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Nova Macedonia as in latin not slavic (which form would be choosen i cannot say as solution is still pending). As for the form of the name this is a fair solution at this stage.
Otherwise ask Mr Samaras whose inefficiancy as FM we suffer to our days.
Should we had at that moment a proper politician things would be different. But we had the bad lack to have Mr Samaras.
Unfortunately his mistakes we pay today but as those mistakes were reflecting our foreign affairs we must do the best to correct the most that we can.
And Nova Macedonia I feel regretably is our best shot for all country,identity and language descriptions.
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I know the history behind Nova Macedonia, and it was actually without Latin translation (would be Nova Makedonija in all uses, it was proposed by Portugese PM years ago)...

The fact of the matter is that the 'Nova' prefix would soon be dropped in all practical use of the name, so it would in effect be the same as recognizing them as RoM...

Wouldn't you agree that no solution is better than a solution recognizing them as RoM?
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Their real name is Vardarska Banovina !

They have no genetical, historical, cultural, ethnological connection with Macedonia who was always been and always be a part of Greece and the Greek people just because they HAPPEN to possess a 10% of the land that was part of the Greek Kingdom.

Υπο αυτή την προυποθεση μάλλον εμεις θα ήμασταν αυτοι που έχουμε δικαίωμα σε αυτο το 10% και όχι αυτοι.

Even if they are named Nova, Gorna, Up, Down, North, West, they will still be ''macedonians'' which is exactly what they want. No one would call them Novamacedonians or Gornamacedonians.

Μετά απο 18 χρόνια έπρεπε να ειμαστε πιο πονηροι σε αυτό το ζήτημα.

Τα σκόπια θα διαλυθούν μόνα τους και δεν έχουν κανένα μέλλον εκτος και αν η Ελλάδα συμφωνήσει σε κάποιο όνομα γι αυτο άλλωστε μας πιέζουν και φορτικά οι αμερικανοι! Δεν πρέπει σε καμία περίπτωση και δεν υπάρχει και κανένας απολύτως λόγος να βιαστουμε. Δεν καταλαβαίνω γιατι μετα απο 18 χρονια αδράνειας πρέπει ντε και καλα να δεχτουμε τώρα ένα ονομα ουτε να καταπινουμε την προπαγάνδα των mme που προσπαθει να περάσει ακριβώς αυτο το μύνημα ειδιά τώρα που επιτέλους η κατάσταση γυρίζει υπέρ μας!

Αν παρουν έστω και μια σύνθετη ονομασία που να περιέχει τον όρο ''μακεδονια'' έχουμε χασει το παιχνίδι χωρίς επιστροφή πλέον. Να ειστε σίγουροι οτι δεν θα σταματήσουν εκει. Θα ακολουθήσουν άλλα μετα. Εθνικοτητες, γλώσσες...Ένα βήμα πίσω αρκεί για να σε δαγκώσει ο άλλος μετα για τα καλα...
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Συμφωνώ απόλυτα Ariadni_Nefeli!!!

Έτσι ακριβώς είναι, κανείς δεν θα τους λέει νοβαμακεντονιτσα, όποιο προσδιορισμό και να μπει στο όνομα θα εξαφανιστεί σε χρόνο ντετε!!

Καλύτερα 'μη λύση' παρά λύση που δεν συμφωνεί με τα συμφέροντα της χώρας μας!!
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