No E.U. for them irrespectively of the name issue.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by roxanna

Well, I'll answer with a question. How would you feel if Greece was renamed to New Greece and you correspondingly called newgreek?
If I was renamed (my country or nation) it feels like losing my roots. I can ONLY identify myself as **********, and nothing else... I hope you will try to understand that.

Well, it's even worse for us. We call us Hellenes, both nearly everybody else is calling us either Greeks or Yunan. We have come to terms with that since long ago...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by roxanna

It has always been **********... When Yugoslavia existed it was exactly the same as you and EU (you are both European and Greek right?). Well it was exactly the same...

The name of your region was Vardarska Banovina prior to WWII. The most Yugoslav Banovinas back then did not have ethnic names, but your ethnicity was not recognized at all by the Serbs back then. Yugoslavia entered history as the kingdom of the Serbs, the Croats and the Slovenes.

This is why you recognize your independence since 1944, and not since Yugoslavia was established after the WWI. All of that time from 1912 until 1944, only Greece had a region with the name "Macedonia".

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by roxanna

you all speak the same language. seems like that was written in your history books... anyway, it is a big lie... we all have many proofs that macedonian is much much longer than 100 years... I myself have more than enough proofs from certificates and documents from my ancestors (some of them even sued for their ideas for independent *********)

Actually it goes back around 150 years ago. In any case, you had different names for the first thousand of years in your presence in the Balkans...

...And no ethnic identity, but this was far from unique...

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Lions Den

Hehe you think the Albanians are starving people in Macedonia?

You are very wrong... the black market the Albanians run through Eastern Europe from Turkey to the U.K is HUGE! The Albanians in Macedonia are not a starving race, let me assure you this!

A huge part of fyroms black market economy is organized crime.Wonderful that youre proud of that.

[Paulos Melas]

Lets stretch a couple of points here.
Skopje belongs to a group known as the western balkan enclave that encompasses FYROM, Albania, Montenegro, Serbia and the grey region of Kosovo and Metohija.
Those countires consttute the "opponents of FYROM" in this balkan area.
Businesswise all counties they can offer exctly the same things: Proximity to old europe ( very close to Greece and Italy), cheap labour, etc etc.
All those countries they suffer from the same problems: women and drug traffic (particularly albania), local mafias etc.
When the moment comes to choose an investment target country then investors shall seek for asdvantages. FYROM being bounced by the eurantlantic structures shall be in a very disadvantageous position with Albania, specially being at that time fully integrated. That will attract investors primary to albania and further to serbia and montenegro, leaving Skopje outside the game in western balkans. This issue is going to have a temendous impact-underminded at the moment-and I believe it will not be long before we se images of financial despair in Skopje similar to the ones we see in South Africa.
As such I cannot see how the self isolation could be assisting particularly under thelight of the will of Obama to change US stance against Skopje with the new year-if so elected of course.