Skop protest in Melbourne: May 24

[Melbourne]

Originally Posted by DRAGON

It is actually legal to burn a countries flag in Australia as long as the person burning it paid for it. U are not how ever allowed to burn flags at sporting events.

My point was that this ban on Greek symbols was exclusively implemented for Greeks only by the FFA.

When Qatar played Australia at Telstra Dome for group World Cup Qualifier, there were many Saudi and Iraqi flags.

In any case the burning and defacing of Greek flag with swastika stepped over the mark and should have been confiscated.

Not to matter, NEVER forget what will become of this. Remember forever what will happen in Meliti come the first week of August.

[BigBlackBeast]

Originally Posted by Andrew

I have just noticed something ...
Watch carefully the following "map" of the protest ...


[url=http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=58&i=95970144mc7.png][IMG]

Note that this map's "definition" of "Real" Macedonia doesn't include the most southern parts of the Modern Geographical Macedonia (the 3 vilaetia).

They "choose" NOT to include the very nucleus of the ancient Macedonians , their very first capital Aegaea (modern day Vergina) , yet in the protest they "used" a lot the "Vergina star" !!!!!

If these braiwashed labrats ever open Herodotus in (VII,127) they'll find out that there was a period when Macedonia was ONLY the parts they left out of their "map" !!!!!

What happened to Orestis , Elymia , Tymphaea , Pieria and Emathia ???



I'm asking why is that ???

Is it because these territories were always Greek-speaking and don't fit in their propaganda ??
If that is the case then why do Khalkidike and Thasos (and many other territories) appear in their maps , since them also were PURELY Greek-speaking territories !

Trying to find "rationality" in FYROMian thinking and acting becames more dificult as time passes !!!!!

Bravo Andrew,

This is one of my favourite themes and one that I've been trying to point out to our assorted 'friends' on the net for a number of years now. Unfortunately, little logic seems to be able to penetrate their heavy duty skulls.

This particular map seems to be based on the definition of Macedonia promoted by the Bulgarian ethnographer D. M. Brancoff in 1905. It recalls, and is a more extreme version of, yet another pro-Slav definition of Macedonia which has historically been the most popular one over the years - that of the Bulgarian Vasil Kanchov (1900). Kanchov's Macedonia excluded Pieria and Thasos and traditionally was the definition the Slavomaks had most usually promoted as their dream frontiers. This until the finds at Vergina and the realization of how absolutely central Pieria was to the ancient Macedonians (being the core territory of the Makedones from which area they burst into history). In antiquity, the Aliakmon river valley was of-course home to most of the Epirote tribes that would later form the 'Upper Makedones' when their lands were incorporated into the Macedonian state by their North-west Greek-speaking cousins - the Makedones proper.

Nowadays our Slav friends are usually careful to include Pieria and the Aliakmon basin in their ambitious cartographic creations. Unfortunately for them these areas were always indigenous Greek-speaking Macedonian areas.

The 'scholar' Hristo Andonovski, in analyzing Kanchov's 1900 population figures for the ethnic groups in what was later to become Greek Macedonia, made some telling remarks. [Needless to say Andonovski, read 'Macedonians' wherever Kanchov spoke of Bulgarians]. He agreed with Kanchov, for instance, that 'there were no Slavs in the area of Greben, Kozhani and Halkidik. ie the ethnical frontier of Macedonia'. Kanchov's figures also make this clear for the region of Anaselitsa which was (according to Kanchov) 94% Greek and must therefore have also been regarded as 'outside the ethnical frontiers of Macedonia' even though this region formed a central part of the very important Upper Macedonian canton of 'Orestis' in antiquity!

Neither Kanchov, nor his 'student' Andonovski, make any reference at all to Pieria, Thasos and the Servia region (south of the Aliakmon). Needless to say the native Macedonian Greeks in these absolutely historically crucial Macedonian areas, did not even feature in the respective tallies of the total number of Greeks living in Greek Macedonia (at least 50,000 Greeks) given by these (and other Slav) 'ethnographers'.

So essentially the Slavic 'Real Macedonia' depicted on this buffoon's map has left out ... the real Macedonia!!!

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by BigBlackBeast

Bravo Andrew,

This is one of my favourite themes and one that I've been trying to point out to our assorted 'friends' on the net for a number of years now. Unfortunately, little logic seems to be able to penetrate their heavy duty skulls.

This particular map seems to be based on the definition of Macedonia promoted by the Bulgarian ethnographer D. M. Brancoff in 1905. It recalls, and is a more extreme version of, yet another pro-Slav definition of Macedonia which has historically been the most popular one over the years - that of the Bulgarian Vasil Kanchov (1900). Kanchov's Macedonia excluded Pieria and Thasos and traditionally was the definition the Slavomaks had most usually promoted as their dream frontiers. This until the finds at Vergina and the realization of how absolutely central Pieria was to the ancient Macedonians (being the core territory of the Makedones from which area they burst into history). In antiquity, the Aliakmon river valley was of-course home to most of the Epirote tribes that would later form the 'Upper Makedones' when their lands were incorporated into the Macedonian state by their North-west Greek-speaking cousins - the Makedones proper.

Nowadays our Slav friends are usually careful to include Pieria and the Aliakmon basin in their ambitious cartographic creations. Unfortunately for them these areas were always indigenous Greek-speaking Macedonian areas.

The 'scholar' Hristo Andonovski, in analyzing Kanchov's 1900 population figures for the ethnic groups in what was later to become Greek Macedonia, made some telling remarks. [Needless to say Andonovski, read 'Macedonians' wherever Kanchov spoke of Bulgarians]. He agreed with Kanchov, for instance, that 'there were no Slavs in the area of Greben, Kozhani and Halkidik. ie the ethnical frontier of Macedonia'. Kanchov's figures also make this clear for the region of Anaselitsa which was (according to Kanchov) 94% Greek and must therefore have also been regarded as 'outside the ethnical frontiers of Macedonia' even though this region formed a central part of the very important Upper Macedonian canton of 'Orestis' in antiquity!

Neither Kanchov, nor his 'student' Andonovski, make any reference at all to Pieria, Thasos and the Servia region (south of the Aliakmon). Needless to say the native Macedonian Greeks in these absolutely historically crucial Macedonian areas, did not even feature in the respective tallies of the total number of Greeks living in Greek Macedonia (at least 50,000 Greeks) given by these (and other Slav) 'ethnographers'.

So essentially the Slavic 'Real Macedonia' depicted on this buffoon's map has left out ... the real Macedonia!!!

Hallo BBB ....So I'm not the only one who noticed a systematic "omission" of the Early Ancient Macedonia in the maps of the " Slav-wannabe Macedonians" .

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by Andrew

I have just noticed something ...
Watch carefully the following "map" of the protest ...


[url=http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=58&i=95970144mc7.png][IMG]

Note that this map's "definition" of "Real" Macedonia doesn't include the most southern parts of the Modern Geographical Macedonia (the 3 vilaetia).

They "choose" NOT to include the very nucleus of the ancient Macedonians , their very first capital Aegaea (modern day Vergina) , yet in the protest they "used" a lot the "Vergina star" !!!!!

If these braiwashed labrats ever open Herodotus in (VII,127) they'll find out that there was a period when Macedonia was ONLY the parts they left out of their "map" !!!!!

What happened to Orestis , Elymia , Tymphaea , Pieria and Emathia ???



I'm asking why is that ???

Is it because these territories were always Greek-speaking and don't fit in their propaganda ??
If that is the case then why do Khalkidike and Thasos (and many other territories) appear in their maps , since them also were PURELY Greek-speaking territories !

Trying to find "rationality" in FYROMian thinking and acting becames more dificult as time passes !!!!!

And maybe it is because the guy who made the map isn't a good writter .

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

I was there and I have never seen so many confused delirious ignorant people in one area.No more then 10,000 more like b/w 6 to 7000 I followed the walk from top of La trobe all the way around to Lonsdale St and Swanston.They marched only on one side of the road so as to let the traffic flow.The propagandists as usual hide the overall shots.Notice there were no photos from high above??All their shots were from ground level so as to look more.Unlike ours that we encouraged high shots they didn't.......

Did you showted ,,Macedonian wanabees'' to the crowd

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by Tsontos

At the end of the day these poor opressed makedonski have to live in a country which still calls them the Former Yugoslav Republic.

That's what you people were saying about Canada and USA.

[Truth Bearer]

Do you people really think these goatherders have any idea of history,legacy or culture??
They are simple minded people who lack a proper education who really have no idea about the history of the region....

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by Melbourne

A few things we should learn from:

- Although their numbers were smaller, they did not have any of their left wing newspaper editors help sabotage the rally. Our Rally on the other hand in 11/2007, resulted in Kosta Nikolopoulos from the local Greek paper, Neos Kosmos, calling Australian media urging them not to cover the Rally (as he did not approve of it). In fact, Kosta Nikolopoulos went as far as writing articles in the paper urging Greeks not to attend.

- The Greek lobby in Australia failed to properly support the local Greek youth when they were racially targed at the Australian Open Tennis this year, as well as two years ago when the Greek national team came to Australia in 2006 and the Australian Football Federation banned the use of Greek symbols at the game. In direct contrast, Skopiani yesterday burnt and defaced Greek flags in full view of the Australian police and no action was taken, double standards!

Cry me a river.

[Dimitar. M]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

Do you people really think these goatherders have any idea of history,legacy or culture??
They are simple minded people who lack a proper education who really have no idea about the history of the region....

Hey if you had any brain, you would also have realized by now that no mather what you say or do these people will remain Macedonians because that's how they feel.

PS: Did you showted ''goatherders'' to them on the rally??
Or you do that just infront of the computer.

[kostas68]

Hey,Dimitraki,i'm still waiting for the translation i asked yesterday.What's going on mate?Will you translate it,or you can't read something written in your own language?