All the necessary evidence that prove the lies of the scopjian propaganda!

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

Φίλοι μου καλησπέρα. Εδώ και καιρό αγωνιζόμαστε και συμβάλουμε ενάντια στην προπαγάνδα των σκοπιανών στο ίντερνετ. Μετά απο καιρό και μεγάλη ερευνα μαζέψαμε μία μεγάλη πηγή πληροφοριών που όχι μόνο ξεσκεπάζουν την προπαγάνδα και τις διασυνδέσεις τους, αλλά αφορούν αρχαίες και μοντέρνες πηγές, φωτογραφίες, ντοκουμέντα, γραμματόσημα και ότι μπορείτε να φανταστείτε, όλα στα αγγλικά για να μπορείτε να τα αντιγράφετε εύκολα, όταν και όποτε τα χρειαστείτε.

Σίγουρα παρέχετε με την σειρά σας εξαιρετιές αποδείξεις και πληροφορίες που είναι απαραίτητες σε όποιον φίλο τις χρειάζεται. Πολλές φορές φίλοι έχουν παραπονεθεί οτι είναι δύσκολο να ψάχνουν στο ίντερνετ με τις ώρες και να μαζέψουν υλικό.

Εδώ θα είναι όλα μαζεμένα ωστε να βρίσκονται άμεσα στην διάθεση όλων.

Το γράφω εσκεμμένα στα Ελληνικά γιατί ξέρω οτι διαβάζουν και σκοπιανά. Παρακαλώ να με συγχωρέσουν οι moderators και να δείξουν κατανόηση.

Όσο συγκεντρώνεται υλικό, θα το διαδίδουμε άμεσα σε όποια διαθέσιμη διαδυκτιακή πηγή, για να το μάθει όσο το δυνατόν περισσότερος κόσμος και άμεσα να χρησιμοποιεί τις έτοιμες πηγές χωρίς να χάνεται χρόνος.

Θα σας παρακαλούσα να συμβάλετε όλοι στην διάδοση και εμπλουτισμό του θέματος αυτού. Οι σκοπιανοι έχουν κερδίσει έδαφος όλα αυτά τα χρόνια, και αρχίζουν πλέον να έχουν αντίλογο.

Σας ευχαριστώ πολύ.

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

"And when the book of Daniel was showed to him (Alexander the Great) wherein Daniel declared that one of the Greeks should destroy the empire of the Persians, he supposed that himself was the person intended"

lavious Josephus (11.8.5)


DANIEL’S PROPHECIES

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/daniel.html

"Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth" (Daniel 2:35).

In the first dream, Daniel saw four great beasts coming up from out of the "Great Sea," which many biblical scholars believe refers to the Mediterranean Sea:

1. The first beast was like a lion, and it had eagle's wings (Daniel 7:4).
2. The second beast was like a bear. It was raised up on one side and had three ribs in its mouth (Daniel 7:5).
3. The third beast was like a leopard, which had four heads and four sets of wings (Daniel 7:6).
4. The fourth beast was "dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong." It had huge iron teeth, and it devoured everything. It made war with God's people and broke them into pieces.

Almost immediately, the parallels to King Nebuchadnezzar's dream are obvious. As in King Nebuchadnezzar's dream, Daniel is told that the four beasts refer to four kingdoms (v. 23-27), and there can be little doubt that they are the same four described earlier. Thus…

* The lion refers to Babylon, the regal and majestic kingdom.
* The bear refers to Medo-Persia, which was stronger on one side than the other (the Medes were stronger than the Persians).
* The third beast, the leopard, refers to Greece, which swept across the world with rapid ferocity under Alexander the Great, then divided into four kingdoms (the leopard's four heads) after Alexander's death.
* The fourth kingdom is Rome, which is again pictured as a cruel and fierce iron monster.


1)(Daniel 8:20-21). In a vision, God revealed to Daniel that the kingdom to rise after the Persians would be the Greeks under Alexander the Great. Gabriel, the angelic messenger from God, explained to Daniel:

"The ram which you saw, having the two horns-they are the kings of Media and Persia. And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king. As for the broken horn and the four that stood up in its place, four kingdoms shall arise out of that nation, but not with its power"


2) (Daniel 8:8-13). Daniel describes this time:

"Therefore the male goat [the Greek Empire] grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken [Alexander the Great suddenly died at the apex of his power], and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven [Alexander's kingdom was divided among his four top generals]"


HERODOTUS

1) Herodotus talks about Lacedaemonians from the HELLENIC (Greek) gender.

When they moved to Pindos territory (Pindos is a greek Mountainside) they named MACEDONS.

And after when they moved to Peloponnese they named Dorians.

Herodotus: Book 1 chapter 56



2) Alexander the first (Alexander the Great was the third) and son of Amyntas
said to a Persian delegation:

"Tell your King that sent you here, how nice behaved to you a GREEK King".

And after these words he killed them.

Herodotus: Book 5 chapter 20



3) Herodotus proves that Macedons are GREEKS with origin from Argos (a greek city in Peloponnese).

He describes, how the rest of Greeks, accepted Alexander the first to take part in Olympic games because he approved his origin from Argos.

Only Greeks was taking part in Olympic games

Herodotus: Book 5 chapter 22



4) Herodotus says that Timenos is Macedons's primogenitor and describes how he went in north Greece from Argos of Peloponnese and established Macedonia.

Herodotus: Book 8 chapter 137



5) Herodotus again describing, how after many years and during the war with Persians, Alexander the first warned Greeks about Persian plans, because although he is occupied by Persians, he is GREEK and he wouldn't want to see the rest Greeks enslaved to Persians.

Herodotus: Book 9 chapter 45


Plutarchus: Parallel Lives, Alexander, chapter 2

"The fact that Alexander's origin, from his father's side, ιs from Hercules through Karranos, and from his mother's side from Aeakos through Neoptolemos, is the most acceptable!!!"


p.s

1) Karranos is the primogenitor of Alexander's dynasty (9th century B.C)

2) Aeakus was son of Zeus and primogenitor of Myrmidons. This means that Alexander was also Achilles descendant from his mother's side.

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

1."The Macedonian people and their kings were of Greek stock, as their traditions and the scanty remains of their language combine to testify."
[John Bagnell Bury, "A History of Greece to the Death of Alexander the Great", 2nd ed. (1913)]


2. "That the Macedonians and their kings did in fact speak a dialect of Greek and bore Greek names may be regarded nowadays as certain."
[Malcom Errington, "A History of Macedonia"]


3. "Ancient allegations that the Macedonians were non-Greek all had their origin in Athens at the time of the struggle with Philip II."
[Malcom Errington, "A History of Macedonia"]


4. "What language did these Macedones speak? The name itself is Greek in root and in ethnic termination. It probably means highlanders, and it is comparable to Greek tribal names..."
[N.G.L. Hammond, "The Macedonian State" (1989)]


5. "The toponyms of the Macedonian homeland are the most significant. Nearly all of them are Greek."
[N.G.L. Hammond, "The Macedonian State" (1989)]


6. "And yet if we take into account the political conditions, religion and morals of the Macedonians, our conviction is strengthened that they were a Greek race and akin to the Dorians."
[Ulrich Wilcken, "Alexander the Great", (1967)]


7. "Nowadays historians generally agree that the Macedonians form part of the Greek ethnos; hence they also shared in the common religious and cultural features of the Hellenic world."
[M.Oppermann, "Oxford Classical Dictionary", 3rd ed. (1996), p.905]


8. "Hesiod first mentioned 'Makedon', the eponym of the people and the country, as a son of Zeus, a grandson of Deukalion, and so a first cousin of Aeolus, Dorus, and Xuthus; in other words he considered the 'Makedones' to be an outlying branch of the Greek-speaking tribes, with a distinctive dialect of their own, 'Macedonian'."

[N.G.L.Hammond, "Oxford Classical Dictionary", 3rd ed. (1996), pp.904,905]


9. "The Macedonians were located between the Thracians and the Greeks, inhabiting the fertile plains drained by the Vardar and Struma rivers. From antiquity to the present the question has been debated as to whether these early Macedonians were Greeks or barbarians. The Macedonian rulers claimed to be descendants of Heracles and therefore genuine Greeks, a claim which the orators of the Athenian assembly scoffed at and rejected. The debate has continued to the present day, enlivened by the conflicting claims of modern Balkan states to the Macedonian lands.
Recent philological and archaeological research indicates that the ancient Macedonians were in fact Greeks, whose civilization had not kept up with that of the tribes which had settled further to the south. Their language closely resembled the classical Greek from which it differed no more than one English dialect from another. Various non-Greek peoples apparently had come under the rule of the Macedonian nobles and kings, but these latter definitely were Greeks in language and outlook, and invited Greek men of learning to their courts."
[L.S. Stavrianos, The Balkans since 1453, (2000), p.18]


10. "All in all, the language of the Macedones was a distinct and particular form of Greek, resistant to outside influnces and conservative in pronunciation. It remained so until the fourth century when it was almost totally submerged by the flood tide of standardized Greek."
[Hammond and Griffith, "A History of Macedonia" Vol ii, 550-336 BC.]

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

11. "In general, however, the Macedonian Slavs differ somewhat both in appearance and character from their neighbours beyond the Bulgarian and Servian frontiers: the peculiar type which they present is probably due to a considerable admixture of Vlach, Hellenic, Albanian and Turkish blood, and to the influence of the surrounding races. Almost all independent authorities,however, agree that the bulk of the Slavonic population of Macedonia is Bulgarian. The principal indication is furnished by the language, which, though resembling Servian in some respects (e.g. the case-endings, which are occasionally retained), presents most of the characteristic features of Bulgarian."
[The 1911 Edition Encyclopedia, found online at:


12. The racial situation in Macedonia: Greeks and Slavs
"Although in some areas [of Macedonia] the various groups were all inextricably intermingled, it is pertinent to point out that in other sections a given race decidedly predominated. In the southern districts, for instance, and more particularly along the coast, the Greeks, a city people given to trade, had the upper hand, while to the north of them the Slavs, peasants for the most part working the soil, held sway. These Slavs may properly be considered as a special Macedonian group, but since they were closely related to both Bulgars and Serbs and had, moreover, in the past been usually incorporated in either the Bulgar or Serb state, they inevitably became the object of both Bulgar and Serb aspirations and an apple of discord between these rival nationalities.''

[Ferdinand Schevill, "A History of the Balkans", p.432]


13. "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian."
"There is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."

[FYROM's Ambassador to Canada, Gyordan Veselinov in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, 24 February 1999]


14. "We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
[FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35.]


15. "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (AD)."
[FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov, Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992]


16. "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great." "We are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."
[FYROM'S Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica Acevshka, 22 January 1999]


17. "It should be remembered, to begin with, that there is no Macedonian race, as a distinct type. Macedonians may belong to any of the races of Eastern Europe or Western Asia, as, indeed, they do. A Macedonian Bulgar is just the same as a Bulgar of Bulgaria proper, the old principality, that in October, 1908, at Tirnova, was proclaimed independent of Turkey. He looks the same, talks the same, and very largely, thinks the same way. In short, he is of the same stock. There is no difference, whatsoever, between the two branches of the race, except that the Macedonian Bulgars, as a result of their position under the Turkish government, have less culture and education than their northern brethren."

[Arthur Douglas Howden Smith, "Fighting the Turk in the Balkans: An American's Adventures with the Macedonian Revolutionists", 1908, p. 4-5]


18. "I shall not indulge in a lecture on the ancient identity of the Macedonians and on Philip II of Macedon and Alexander the Great, but the Greeks were historically correct in the campaign that they launched in the early days of the dispute...
"Nor shall I engage in a lecture on the falsification of the history of Slavo-Macedonia since 1944, although that, too, has much hard factual content. I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of Vardar Banovina as the Republic of Macedonia in 1944 was a political statement. More than that, it was a territorial claim. It laid claim to territory in Greece and in Bulgaria. Notably, the objective was the warm water port of Salonika on the Aegean."

[Mr. Edward O'Hara of the British Parliament]


19. "It is the national identity of these Slav Macedonians that has been the most violently contested aspect of the whole Macedonian dispute, and is still being contested today. There is no doubt that they are southern Slavs; they have a language, or a group of varying dialects, that is grammatically akin to Bulgarian but phonetically in some respects akin to Serbian, and which has certain quite distinctive features of its own."

[Elisabeth Barker, "Macedonia, its place in Balkan power politics",
(originally published in 1950 by the Royal Institute of International Affairs), p.10]


20."In regard to their own national feelings, all that can safely be said is that during the last eighty years many more Slav Macedonians seem to have considered themselves Bulgarian, or closely linked to Bulgaria, than have considered themselves Serbian, or closely linked to Serbia (or Yugoslavia). Only the people of the Skoplje region, in the north west, have ever shown much tendency to regard themselves as Serbs. The feeling of being Macedonians, and nothing but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly recent growth, and even today is not very deep-rooted."


[Elisabeth Barker, "Macedonia, its place in Balkan power politics",
(originally published in 1950 by the Royal Institute of International Affairs), p.10]


21."May the heroic Serb people at last find the necessary moral force--and they have it, it dwells within them--to recognize spontaneously what has long and unanimously been recognized by history, science, and the national sentiment of the Macedonian population itself, which sees in the Bulgarians its brothers in language and blood, and which has fought hand in hand with them for religion, life, and liberty."

[N.S. Derzhavin, "Bulgaro-Serb Relations and the Macedonian Question", (1918)]


22. "Cultural autonomy must be granted to Pirin Macedonia within the framework of Bulgaria. Tito has shown himself more flexible than you - possibly because he lives in a multiethnic state and has had to give equal rights to the various peoples. Autonomy will be the first step towards the unification of Macedonia, but in view of the present situation there should be no hurry on this matter. Otherwise, in the eyes of the Macedonian people the whole mission of achieving Macedonian autonomy will remain with Tito and you will get the criticism. You seem to be afraid of Kimon Georgiev, you have involved yourselves too much with him and do not want to give autonomy to Pirin Macedonia. That a Macedonian consciousness has not yet developed among the population is of no account. No such consciousness existed in Byelorussia either when we proclaimed it a Soviet Republic. However, later it was shown that a Byelorussian people did in fact exist."


[Stalin to Bulgarian Delegation (G. Dimitrov, V. Korarov, T. Kostov) on 7 June 1946] These are the directions that Stalin gave in order to start the propaganda against Greece with the communists!


23."The Department has noted with considerable apprehension increasing propaganda rumors and semi-official statements in favor of an autonomous Macedonia, emanating principally from Bulgaria, but also from Yugoslav Partisan and other sources, with the implication that Greek territory would be included in the projected state. "This Government considers talk of Macedonian "nation', Macedonian "Fatherland", or Macedonian "national consciousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece"."

[The Secretary of State, Edward Stettinius, to Certain Diplomatic and Consular Officers, U.S. State Department, Foreign Relations Vol. VIII, Circular Airgram (868.014 / 26 Dec. 1944)]

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

Dedicated to Vardarskians that dare to claim Kirilos and Methodios!


''Egregiae virtutis viri Cyrillus et Methodius iam mentibus animisque omnium iterum ... Cyrillus autem et Methodius fratres, Graeci, Thessalonicae nati,''

''Epistula Apostolica Egregiae Virtutis''

THE SLAV leader of Moravia, RATSISLAV at 9th century asked Emperor Michael to send priests to his people. He decided to send Kirillos & Methodios cause they spoke 6 languages & were very well educated.

Slavic Translations of the Scriptures
Matthew Spinka
The Journal of Religion > Vol. 13, No. 4 (Oct., 1933), pp. 415
When those ancient precursors of Bible translators, the Greek brothers Constantine and Methodius, translated certain parts of the Scriptures and the liturgical books into Slavic for the use of their Moravian converts

Slavic Translations of the Scriptures

Matthew Spinka
The Journal of Religion > Vol. 13, No. 4 (Oct., 1933), pp. 415
Thus in a sense the two Greek brothers and their disciples fought a fight in behalf of all the later Bible translators and liturgical vernaculars, the English among them.

The Slav Pope John Paul II who in 31/12/1980 (in an official encyclical-Egregiae Virtutis-to the Catholic Church) and 14/2/1981(in the S.Clement church in Rome) said that Cyrillos and Methodios were “Greek brothers, born in Thessaloniki”

Professors Ivan Lazaroff, Plamen Pavloff, Ivan Tyutyundzijeff and Milko Palangurski of the Faculty of History of Sts. Cyril and Methodius University in Bulgaria in their book - Short History of the Bulgarian Nation, pp 36-38), state very explicitly that the two brothers were Hellenes (Greeks) from Thessaloniki.

They were send from the Greek Byzantine Patriarch Fotios. Cyrilus's real name is Konstantinos he changed his name before his death. He died in Rome in a Greek Monastery.

Georg Ostrogorsky - Byzantine History - Chapter: The Rise of New Era, page 103

[Nick]

Wow! Very nice finds Ariadni.

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

"Paionia or Paeonia (in Greek Παιονία) was in ancient geography, the land of the Paeonians (Ancient Greek Παίονες), the exact boundaries of which, like the early history of its inhabitants, are very obscure. In the time of king Philip II of Macedon, Paionia covered most of what is now the Republic of Macedonia, and was located immediately north of ancient Macedon (roughly corresponding to the modern Greek region of Macedonia) and south of Dardania (Europe) (roughly corresponding to modern-day Kosovo). In East was the Odrysian kingdom of the Thracians, (roughly corresponding to modern-day Bulgaria) and in West the Illyrian kingdom, (roughly corresponding to modern-day Albania).

This article incorporates text from the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition, a publication now in the public domain. "


Alexander the Great - Iron Maiden

Near to the east in a part of ancient Greece in an ancient land called Macedonia, was born a son to Philip of Macedon the legend his name was Alexander.

At the age of nineteen he became the Macedon King and he swore to free all of Asia Minor. By the Aegean Sea in 334 BC he utterly beat the armies of Persia......

.....A Phrygian King had bound a chariot yoke and Alexander cut the 'Gordian knot. And legend said that who untied the knot he would become the master of Asia

Hellenism he spread far and wide the Macedonian learned mind. Their culture was a western way of life he paved the way for Christianity

Man, even Harris and Dickinson know history!

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

My friend you haven't seen anything yet!

We gathered so many proves that are close to the size of Alexandria Library! (So do speak).

Ill try to present them as soon as possible, without cross my post time limitations.

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

VARDARSKA BANOVINA!

[Ariadni_Nefeli]

This book has a lot of clues about THE GREEK Alexander and the various names he was given.

http://www.amazon.com/Footsteps-Alex.../dp/0520231929

Iskander (Persian): Alexander

Khan Tengri (Uighur): Lord of the Skies

Tengri Tagh (Tien Shan) from the farthest northeastern point that Alexander reached.

http://www.gannon.edu/departmental/archaeology/ki.asp

Khirbet Iskander is an Arabic name and means the "ruin of Alexander (the Great)