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Old 04-30-2008, 12:53 PM
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Vardarskians often use as an excuse that the name Philip of Macedon declares that they were Macedonians and not Greeks.

Of cource we provided evidents from the beginning that Macedonians were Greeks, but they use this misunderstandings to pass their ideas, taking advantage of the ignorance of foreigners in how Greeks introduce each other:

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Greece was divided in Greek Kindoms, ruled by the Greek City States. Macedonia was one of these Kingdoms, this is why we Say Philip Of Macedon, Leonidas of Sparta, Minoans of Crete, Architas of Taranta, Diodorus of Cicily, Pyrros of Epirus.

They used the names of their fathers, their cities, and their kingdoms.

We continue to do that until today when we meet other people. We say ''I was born in Macedonia,(city) Pella, or I was born in Epirus, (city) Giannena, or I was born in Peloponnisos, (city) Kalamata, or I am from Crete, (city) Chania.

And we continue to say until today...''the Pelloponesians'' ''the Cretans'' ''the Epirotians'' ''the Macedonians''.


This is the misunderstanding Fyromians supported their whole propaganda. The ignorance in how the Greeks call each other!

I will continue the humiliation of Vardarskians by expose their lies about the....makedonski'' fantasies!!!

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The first book is ''Turkey and the Eastern Question'' by John McDonald.

Also...

Isaac Aaronovich Hourvich - Immigration and Labor - New York - G.P. Putnam's Sons - 1912

Peter Roberts - Immigrant Races in North America

Popolaz Othomanam (Population census paper)

What do you have to say for that Vardarskians?

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vardarskians Nazi Collaborators!
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Foreign Relations Vol. VIII, 868.014 / 26 Dec. 1944

“The Department has noted increasing propaganda rumors and semi-official statements in favor of an autonomous Macedonia, emanating principally from Bulgaria, but also from Yugoslav Partisan and other sources, with the implication that Greek territory would be included in the projected state.

This Government (of USA) considers talk of Macedonian “nation”, Macedonian “Fatherland”, or Macedonian “national consciousness” to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic, nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece.

The approved policy of this Government is to oppose any revival of the Macedonian issue as related to Greece.

The Greek section of Macedonia is largely inhabited by Greeks, and the Greek people are almost unanimously opposed to the creation of a Macedonian state. Allegations of serious Greek participation in any such agitation can be assumed to be false.

This Government (of USA) would regard as responsible any Government or group of Governments tolerating or encouraging menacing or aggressive acts of “Macedonian forces” against Greece”.

U.S. Secretary of State Stettinius

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Steve Ashton - Macedonia is Greece!


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The Macedonians themselves were Greek speaking peoples

(see: Papazoglu, Makedonski Gradovi, p 333 and Central Balkan Tribes, p 135; Casson, Macedonia, Thrace and Illyria, pp157-162; NGL Hammond, The Macedonian State, pp 12-15 and 193; Cavaignac, Histoire de l’ antiquité, i, p 67; Hoffman, Die Makedonen, p. 259; Errington, A History of Macedonia, p 3; Yugoslavian Military Encyclopedia 1974 “Antička Makedonija”; Hogarth, Philip and Alexander, p.5, n 4), Urlich Wilcken, Alexander the Great, II pp 23 and 24, Botsford, Hellenic History, p 237).

Some of the scholars mentioned above initially were not sure about the Greekness of the Macedonians (i.e. NGL Hammod). Newly discovered artifacts and monuments that were excavated indicating the Macedonians were actually Greek made them admit their previous error. NGL Hammond explains the reason why scholars like Badian do not consider the Macedonians Greeks in his book, The Macedonian State (page 13, note 29). Hammond states that most recently E. Badian in Barr-Sharrar (pp 33-51) disregarded the evidence as explained in A History of Macedonia (NGL Hammond and G. T. Griffith, 1979 pp 39-54). In Barr-Sharrar, Badian holds the view that the Macedonians (whom he does not define) spoke a language other than Greek. Badian keeps ignoring evidence that is against his beliefs and convictions choosing only certain proof and ignoring other relevant proof. That is exactly the pattern others, like E. Borza, P. Green, etc. have chosen to follow.

All names, whether members of the royal family or not, including names of other simple Macedonian citizens, i.e. Kallinis (Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander, VII par 11), Limnos from Chalastra (Plutarch, Parallel Lives of Famous Greeks and Romans, chap. Alexander) and all toponymies in the area of the Macedonian homeland were Greek. The Macedonian homeland included the city-states of Imathia, Pieria, Bottiea, Mygdonia, Crestonia, Bisaltia, Sintiki, Odomantis, Edonis, Elimea, Orestis, Eordea, Almopia, Lyncestis, Pelagonia and Macedonian Paeonia. Macedonian Paeonia is the part of Paeonia which lies south of the narrow pass at the area of Demir Kapija (The FYROM).

Fanula Papazoglu indirectly agrees with the concept of the above borderlines stating, “… it is often forgotten that ancient Macedonia occupied only a relatively small part of the Yugoslav Macedonia” (Papazoglu, Central Balkan Tribes, p. 268). Papazoglu’s two maps at the end of her doctoral dissertation (Makedonski gradovi u rimsko doba, Skoplje, 1957) portray only Macedonian territories under Roman rule.

Macedonia conquered the already Hellenized Paeonia in 217 BC under King Philip V, 106 years after the death of Alexander the Great. Any map that incorporates Paeonia into Macedonia before that year is absolutely false.

All inscriptions and artifacts excavated, including those in Trebenište and Oleveni near Bitola, are in pure Greek. With a few exceptions, the only time one sees non-Greek names and toponymies is in areas that constituted the expansion of Macedonia, i.e. Paeonia, Thrace, etc. Any non-Greek names, words or toponymies found in the Macedonian homeland are remnant of Thracians, Phrygians or Paeonians that used to live there before their expulsion by the Macedonians.

Participation in the Olympic Games was unequivocally and definitely a function that only athletes of strictly Hellenic origin could partake. Archelaus had won in the Olympic and Pythian Games (Solinus 9, 16) and Alexander I had also won in the Olympic Games (Herodotus, Histories, V, 22).

It is stated by Herodotus (Histories VIII, 43) that a number of Peloponnesian cities inhabited by Lacedaemonians, Corinthians, Sicyonians, Epidaurians, Troezinians, and Hermionians and that with the exception of Hermionians all others were of Dorian and Macedonian blood. The above people were living in cities located in Peloponnesus, which makes the Macedonians as Greek as the Dorians.

The answer as to why Alexander sent the 300 full suits of Persian armor to goddess Athena, goes back to the battle of Thermopylae and all events that followed. But in order for one to understand it better, one has to know the story of the battle of Thermopylae.

The Persian Army and Navy, headed by Xerxes, won the battle against the 1300 Greeks (1000 from Phocis) lead by the 300 Spartans whose commander was Leonidas. It is important for one to note that the Persians were victorious only when a local Greek, Ephialtes, betrayed a secret passage to the enemy who came from behind and thus surrounded the few Greeks. It is also important to know that according to Lycourgos' laws, Spartans were not allowed to leave the battlefield for any reason, nor they were allowed to follow anyone in the battle. That’s why the Spartans did not follow Alexander against the Persians.

Herodotus (Histories b. VIII, 114) tells us:
… the Spartans upon the urging of the Oracle of Delphi sent a messenger to Xerxes demanding reparations for the death of Leonidas. The man who obtained an interview with Xerxes said to him: ‘My lord, King of the Medes, the Lacedaemonians and the house of Heracles in Sparta demand satisfaction for blood, because you killed their king while he was fighting in defense of Greece.’ Xerxes laughed, and for a time did not answer…

The royal house of Sparta (Herodotus VII, 204), and the royal house of Macedonia (cf. Fact #13) both claimed descent from Heracles (Hercules).

Taking into consideration all of the above, we come to the conclusion that Alexander the Great, being victorious at the battle of Granicus, sent 300 full armor uniforms to goddess Athena who was also the goddess of war, and in this way he AVENGED the 300 Spartans who died defending Greece.
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This is the GREEK language in Macedonia, Greece that Vardarskians try to claim as ...Makedonski!!!

Europes oldest book is Macedonian

The Derveni papyrus is an ancient Macedonian papyrus scroll which was found in 1962. It is a philosophical treatise, written in Greek, that is an allegorical commentary on an Orphic poem, a theogony concerning the birth of the Greek gods, produced in the circle of the philosopher Greek Anaxagoras, in the second half of the fifth century B.C., making it "the most important new piece of evidence about Greek philosophy and religion to come to light since the Renaissance"
(Janko 2005). It dates to around 340 B.C., during the reign of Philip II of Macedon, making it Europe's oldest surviving manuscript.

The scroll was found at a site in Derveni, Macedonia northern Greece, in a nobleman's grave in a necropolis that was part of a rich cemetery belonging to the ancient city of Lete. It is the oldest surviving book in the Western tradition and one of very few surviving papyri found in Greece. The scroll is carbonized from the pyre of the nobleman's grave.The papyrus is kept in the Thessaloniki Archaeological Museum.









http://www.arsitra.org/yacs/articles/view.php/185



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Reasons Why Macedonia is a Greek Providence

Greece & the Apostle Paul's Missionary Journeys & International Teaching Seminar Photo Album


Water Supply and Drainage System in Pella-Macedonia-Greece.



Look what said Mr Dimitar Stoyanov ( from Bulgary) in the European council!!!

That FYROM is a victim of an international conspiracy, and this country is under the rule of a team of Drug Sellers . He says also that there's nowhere else in the world a regin like this in FYROM. He calls the people of FYROM to learn better history and that the language they speak is not Macedonian!!!.

Here is the prototype:

Димитър Стоянов, от името на групата ITS . – Първо към г-н комисаря, искам да кажа, че Македония отдавна не е унитарна държава.
Македония стана жертва на една терористична банда, на един международен заговор срещу нея, на една банда от наркотрафиканти, подкрепени от международната общност, които веят знамето на великоалбанския шовинизъм и на радикалния ислям.
На Македония с т.нар. Охридско рамково споразумение й беше наложен един диктат, който не съществува никъде другаде в момента в никоя демократична държава, нито в този парламент, нито никъде, слава Богу. Диктат на една малка общност над волята на многото в тази държава.
Освен това искам да обърна една забележка към господин докладчика. За съжаление, трябва да се постараете малко повече да се запознаете с историята, защото в Македония, получили сте някаква представа, но в Македония не се говори македонски език.
И това ще го обясня с факта, който споменахте, че през 1878 г. 85 % от населението се е определяло като българи. Македония трябва да дойде в Европейския съюз. Аз подкрепям нейното присъединяване, за да получи някаква справедливост в крайна сметка.



Look at the full report in the European council:


http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/e...default_el.htm
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Vardarskians you are Bulgarians!

This is your former President Georgievsky, now living in Bulgaria with Bulgarian passport!!!

YOU ARE BULGARS!!!


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So Vardarskians...lets see your ''Makedonski''

Suckers...



This is an ancient macedonian coin (tetradrahmon) since Alexander's era.

In one side is Alexander his self and in the other is Hercules ( Macedons has origin from Hercules).

You can see clealry the name ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ (Alexander) in Greek.

Even the word ΤΕΤΡΑΔΡΑΧΜΟΝ (Tetradrahmon) is Greek!!!




Another Macedonian coin with Phillip.

You can clearly read in Greek ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ (Phillip's)




Another Macedonian coin with Phillip in Greek letters!!!

You can again clearly read ΦΙΛΛΙΠΠΟΥ (Phillips's)





And finally another Macedonian coin with Alexander.

You can clearly read in Greek ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ (King's).

It is Greek language everywhere as you can see and almost same with the current one that speaks in Greece.



Another stone tablet with the famous Queen Cleopatra!!!

For some ignorant vardarskians, Cleopatra was Greek Macedon from the dynasty of Ptolemies, and descendant of Ptolemeus (Ptolomy), one of Alexander's generals that ruled in Egypt.



In this says with GREEK letters: ΥΠΕΡ ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΗΣ ΚΛΕΟΠΑΤΡΑΣ ΘΕΑΣ ΦΙΛΟΠΑΤΩΡ ΤΟΠΟΣ ΑIΤΙΑΚΗΣ ΣΥΝΟΔΟΥ.

In free translation means that this is a place dedicated to the Queen Cleopatra, Goddess Filopator, where taking place assemblies for a specific cause.
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In this thread I presented a majority of proves from ancient scriptures, ancient and modern sources, documents, photos, Bible, Talmud, Kirillos and Methodios, articles and fundamental evidents that:

1. MACEDONIA IS AND ALWAYS BE GREEK

2. VARDARSKA BANOVINA IS A USA, NAZI AND SOROS COLLABORATOR

3.THERE IS NO OTHER ETHNICITY AND LANGUAGE THAN GREEK.

4. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED BULGARIANS- ALBOS NATIONALISTS WHO SUPRESS AND THREAT THE 200.000 GREEKS OF MONASTIRI.


I will give many more evidents from now on, and you can use them anytime you want.

Lets create a common base here and all participate with sources and evidents!

Αυτο το λινκ θα φροντίσω να διαδωθεί παντου ωστε ο καθένας να μπορεί να τα χρησιμοποιήσει άμεσα!

Θα ήθελα να πω ένα μεγάλο ευχαριστώ σε όλους τους Συνέλληνες που χρόνια τώρα αγωνίζονται και εχουν καταφέρει πάρα πολλά. Και ένα μεγάλο ευχαριστώ στον συζυγό μου Sirius El που με τις βαθύτατες γνώσεις του στην αρχαιολογία - ιστόρία και σερβική γλώσσα εντόπισε πάρα πολλές απο αυτές τις πηγές!



Συνεχίζουμε ακάθεκτοι και πάνω απ' όλα ΕΝΩΜΕΝΟΙ!

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