Why doesn't the Greek government recognize the "Macedonian" minority?

[akritas]

In Greece Slavmacedonians have theirs political party. In a modern European democracy with absolutely free elections, like Greece, political views are judged according to the response they receive from citizens. In this particular instance judgement has been passed. Rainbow failed.

They speak for 6.600 votes.Consider two thinks when we read this number

• Rainbow coloborated in the past with the extreme communist party OAKKE
• Rainbow votes in Macedonian were only 3000 (with OAKKE) .

Greeks have been sending their children to Macedonian schools for years, expecting them to learn Greek, not Bulgarian. Macedonian people (Greeks) are already a majority in Greece, with Macedonian churches, schools and cultural centers teaching Greek and regional dances and songs.

Greek government can neither recognize a minority with the same name, as the majority, nor build non-Greek schools and churches with the same name. Greek courts have offered to open cultural centers for their minority, under a different name (than Macedonian). They have refused for obvious reasons since rhey think that they are the only Macedonians in the planer Earth.

As long as they use the term "Macedonian" to describe their nationality, their minority in Greece cannot be recognized since the same name is used by the Greeks of Macedonia to describe themsleves for much longer that the written history of any slavic tribe.

I am a Macedonian, however I am in no way identified with or related to the newly formed independent state referred to as “the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia” ; I am instead insulted by the fact that I cannot be known as a Macedonian without being identified by others as related to FYROM.


My identity has been usurped.
“Where is the justice ?”, to paraphrase their own words

[masolord]

We will end up called Macedonian eventually.
We just have to continue to play the victim card.

[edessa]

Can this dumb kid be banned please? He's quite annoying. At first it was funny, but now he's a waste of space

[akritas]

Originally Posted by masolord

We will end up called Macedonian eventually.
We just have to continue to play the victim card.

The game has two players despite the assos (USA, Tito e.t.c.). And in the last 120 years your people under Bulgarian or Slavmacedonian leadership always loose.

[Truth Bearer]

Slavolord relax lad......

[TALOS]

whenever in the last 120 years u wannabe macedonian slap happy balcanoids tried to annex OUR MACEDONIA and later OUR MACEDONIAN heritge or NAME u got ass kicked.

This time u slav donkeys will get a good and final asskick. just have a little patience

[yannis-3]

RAINBOW PARTY AND EURO-ELECTIONS
As we all know “Rainbow” they never participate in the regular elections
They participate only in the election for the EU’s parliament
The basic reason is because the regular elections is very important and even the sympathizers of the party hardly they will vote for it.



Euro-elections 1999
http://www.ypes.gr/ekloges/content/g...UE_epi_res.asp
all votes for “Rainbow” 4951
florina 1427
Edessa 656
Ptolemaida 186
Together (florina/edessa/ptolemaida) 2269
The rest of Greece (include the rest of Macedonia) 2682



Euro-elections 2004
http://www.ypes.gr/ekloges/content/g...UE_epi_res.asp
All over Greece - 6117
Florina 1203 (down 224 votes from 1999)
Edessa 409 (down 247 )
Ptolemaida 119 (down 67 )
Together (florina/edessa/ptolemaida) 1731 (down 538)
The rest of Greece 4386 (up 1704)



Why this happens?
Why in the rest of Greece the votes are more than 1999?

Some examples

Chalkidike (central Macedonia) in 1999 only 2 votes but in 2004, 48 votes

Chania (Crete island) in 1999 zero vote for them but in 2004 had 43 votes


The reason a think is the change of the name in the election
In 1999 they use the name “OYRANIO TOKSO”
But in 2004 they use the name: “EYROPAIKH ELEF8ERH SYMMAXIA-OYRANIO TOKSO”
This confused some voters and they think "EYROPAIKH ELEF8ERH SYMMAXIA (European free alliance)" as a pro-european party and not as a pro-skopian.

[ΒΗΣΣΑΡΙΩΝ]

Originally Posted by akritas

In Greece Slavmacedonians have theirs political party. In a modern European democracy with absolutely free elections, like Greece, political views are judged according to the response they receive from citizens. In this particular instance judgement has been passed. Rainbow failed.

They speak for 6.600 votes.Consider two thinks when we read this number

• Rainbow coloborated in the past with the extreme communist party OAKKE
• Rainbow votes in Macedonian were only 3000 (with OAKKE) .

Dear Akritas,

In modern united Europe, a minority has actually the right to define itself as it pleases. The problem is, as you clearly explain, that the Slavomacedonian minority uses OUR name as exclusive ethnicity name.

But we have to bear in mind that not all Europeans are well aware of the situation. To say nothing about the Americans : Half of them think that USA capital is ...New York !!! So few people understand the problem. In a foreign, non-FYROMian Forum, there has been an article by a Jewish American who was one of the few men to understand the issue in depth. Most probably because of his obvious classic education.

On the other side, many Europeans are lured by lamentations by FYROM people about "suppresion" and "cultural genocide" of "Macedonians" in Greece, and shout against "non democratic" behaviour of our country.

The best way to defend our rights is TO ATTACK. How ?

In my humble opinion, by calling NEXT MORNING everybody feeling as Slavomacedonian to come and declare a different ethnicity than Greek ,i.e. SLAVOMACEDONIAN.

There would have been at most 15.000 souls (some ultra leftists and homosexuals between them, despite them being anything but Slavomacedonian) TO DO SO. It is easy to calculate the minority schools required where Slavomacedonian would be additionally taught (*), or the churches : In a village with 30 Slavomacedonians there can be no differnt church. In the churches the Mass will be conducted in Slavomacedonian, but they will be under the Greek Church, not the fake "Macedonian Church", not recognised by anybody.

(*) But the program would be the SAME as in ALL other schools in Greece.

Such a step would deprive all "sensitive" Euro-parliamentarians from accusing violently, and unjustifiably, our country.

FYROM people have to understand that NOBODY can force us to call them INSIDE Greece as "Macedonians", even if the whole World will do so.

And, as far as I know, the same holds for Bulgaria.

So, let them travel in Malaysia and say in a cocky style "We are the descendants of Alexander the Great". Malaysians like comedians......

[Petros Houhoulis]

Originally Posted by masolord

We will end up called Macedonian eventually.
We just have to continue to play the victim card.

You shall end up the real victims of the Bulgarian and Albanian aggression and that's it.

[samarina]

Originally Posted by ΒΗΣΣΑΡΙΩΝ

Dear Akritas,

In modern united Europe, a minority has actually the right to define itself as it pleases. The problem is, as you clearly explain, that the Slavomacedonian minority uses OUR name as exclusive ethnicity name.

But we have to bear in mind that not all Europeans are well aware of the situation. To say nothing about the Americans : Half of them think that USA capital is ...New York !!! So few people understand the problem. In a foreign, non-FYROMian Forum, there has been an article by a Jewish American who was one of the few men to understand the issue in depth. Most probably because of his obvious classic education.

On the other side, many Europeans are lured by lamentations by FYROM people about "suppresion" and "cultural genocide" of "Macedonians" in Greece, and shout against "non democratic" behaviour of our country.

The best way to defend our rights is TO ATTACK. How ?

In my humble opinion, by calling NEXT MORNING everybody feeling as Slavomacedonian to come and declare a different ethnicity than Greek ,i.e. SLAVOMACEDONIAN.

There would have been at most 15.000 souls (some ultra leftists and homosexuals between them, despite them being anything but Slavomacedonian) TO DO SO. It is easy to calculate the minority schools required where Slavomacedonian would be additionally taught (*), or the churches : In a village with 30 Slavomacedonians there can be no differnt church. In the churches the Mass will be conducted in Slavomacedonian, but they will be under the Greek Church, not the fake "Macedonian Church", not recognised by anybody.

(*) But the program would be the SAME as in ALL other schools in Greece.

Such a step would deprive all "sensitive" Euro-parliamentarians from accusing violently, and unjustifiably, our country.

FYROM people have to understand that NOBODY can force us to call them INSIDE Greece as "Macedonians", even if the whole World will do so.

And, as far as I know, the same holds for Bulgaria.

So, let them travel in Malaysia and say in a cocky style "We are the descendants of Alexander the Great". Malaysians like comedians......

FYROMIANs please don't knock on my door for a cup of sugar or to call for help if your in need,go ask a Gypsy please.