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Old 05-22-2006, 10:45 PM
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THIS is the TRUTH of Macedonians, all Macedonians are Bulgarians.



The Greek Web Site proclaim false 4000 years Greek Civilization in Macedonia. They forget intentionally the last 2000 years was Bulgarian Civilization there. If this can be called a civilization the 90 years Greek occupation of part of Macedonia since 1912, oppression, ethnic cleansing, erasing of the Bulgarian culture, forbidding Bulgarian language, schools, religion, and unscrupulous denationalization of the majority of the Macedonian population 75% Bulgarians? God should save us from such uncivilized Greek yoke. Does Greece belong to Europe?

Sources proving that Macedonia is not Greek is very easy to find. Greek armed forces in 1912 occupied 52% of Macedonia with no justification or reason, immediately started ethic cleansing, forced 1 million Macedonians over the years to leave their own country, confiscate their properties and force them to migrate to the area of the Republic of Macedonia, Bulgaria, Australia, Canada and USA. At this time 1912 Macedonia and Thrace was inhabited 75 % by Bulgarians. There are still today more than 1 million Macedonians, who suffered human rights abuses for their refusal to assimilate into Greek culture. They live in Greek Macedonia with change name (Greek name), which don't have right to learn Bulgarian language in the school, but they do so in the family, prove very clear that Macedonia is Bulgarian and not Greek. When you enter in Greek Macedonia almost every one speaks Bulgarian. Historians write about whether the ancient Macedonians were Hellenic. According to Loring Danforth, a professor of anthropology at Bates College and author of the book The Macedonian Conflict, "The evidence says NO." The author of the following article is insulted and angry of the Greek uncivilized behavior towards Macedonians and believed that Greece have no right to be EU member, because of the oppression of the Macedonians. The direct democracy in ancient Greece was equality among citizens, liberty, and respect for the law and justice. Today's practice is the opposite of the classical Athenian democracy ideas. Greece should be ashamed to turn today to #1 undemocratic state in Europe. Amnesty International Report prove it. Macedonia is not Greek, but Bulgarian, and this for 15 centuries.

click on the picture to see the image of the Bulgarian Kingdom true the ages.

The Bulgarian Kingdom include always Macedonia as undivided part of Bulgaria

Bulgaria by Pressiam (836-852), Boris I (852-889), Simeon (893-927), Samuel (971-1014), Ivan Assen I (1187-1196), Kaloyan (1196-1207), Ivan Assen II (1218-1241) Europe at the time of the Karolingers (792-911) Ethnological Map by Ami Boue (1847) According to Boue the hole Macedonia with Czerni-Drin-River as western frontier, the hole southern Moravia-Basin with the towns Nisch, Leskovetz, Wranja, Pirot a.s.o., the whole Dobrudja and even a part of Russian-Bessarabia are districts inhabited by Bulgarians. Bulgarian Exarchate (1870-1912)





If this chronicle gives rise to conflicts or trouble, it is not the fault of the Macedonians, nor me. When the politicians in EU countries don't speak out, it is due to ignorance or indifference.

Denmark is a member of the EU. It remains a mystery that Greece is too. The member countries must recognize human rights and minorities rights. Those are the demands put in front of the central European states and they must abide by them. That has been hard on Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania who are brought to recognize national minorities, especially that large Russian one. Slovenia is on that point influenced by the Yugoslavian constitution of 1974, an exemplary country with full recognition of small Croatian and Italian minorities. But Greece - Oh Dear! From official Greek side it is bombastically announced: Only Greeks live in Greece. Nonsense! In southeast Europe, not a single state exist of one nationality alone. In Greece, you find a large Turkish minority (who do not wish to be presented as Greeks that has converted to Islam) in Thrace, a small Albanian minority in Epiros and finally a Macedonian minority in Aegean Macedonia, who numbers somewhere between 75.000 and 500.000. An exact estimate doesn't exist, since Greece persistently deny there existence.

If one put some pressure on high ranking civil servants and self-proclaimed experts, one may achieve an admission that " a small Slavic speaking minority exist in Greek Macedonia", but they "do not wish to be a national minority; they can freely use their language".

A pack of lies! For many years I have had a friendly relation with numerous Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia - a people that officially doesn't exist. I do speak Greek, but I speak fluently Macedonian. Almost every time I take the train south, over Munich to Balkan, I run into Macedonians from Greece (2. generation of workers). The same happens when I traverse the Greek border. Some people speaks only Greek, but a lot, really a lot, speaks additionally Macedonian ("our mother tongue") which is forbidden as language in school. Last year a couple of shop owners were taken to court -their "crime" was that they had written some words in Macedonian in their shop windows.

When I sit on cafe's in villages in Aegean Macedonia, the conversation always ends at "the Macedonian identity". "What do you in the rest of Europe know about us?" I must admit that it's very little. "We would like to have some Macedonian schools" the man continues at the cafe. "I speak my Macedonian mother tongue, but my son is struggling, although he watches Macedonian TV, Televizija Skopje". He, and the others speak in a low voice, while glancing towards the neighboring table where a man is picking up his phone. Moments later, two angry police officers enter and the gathering around my table splits up. The border control between the Macedonian Republic and Greece are, known to be among the toughest in Europe. Certainly the slowest. Not on the Macedonian side, where the border police take a peek at the Danish passport, after which it's over. But on the other side of the border, the border police confiscate all passports and later we have to spend a long time, be it snow storm or bumming hot, cueing to get the passport back. With particular thoroughness, the custom control ransack the luggage of travelers from the Republic of Macedonia. Foreigners can not be sure to get a travel permission, even when born in Aegean Macedonia in Greece. It has happened that a Canadian bus full of Macedonians with Macedonian names, but born in Aegean Macedonia, were not allowed to enter the country.

When it in 1991 was clear to the Macedonians in the Yugoslav sub-republic Macedonia, that their value norms could not possibly harmonize with the roaring nationalism of Serbia, they split with the Yugoslav republic after a popular referendum - Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina had already done that. The Serbs protested and the Serbian terrorist leader and specialist in ethnic cleansing Vojislav Seselj announced that all he needed was two divisions and then "the Macedonian problem would be solved". Loudest, however, were the protests from Greece, apparently because of the name. The Greek regime could perhaps accept that the new state could call it self Skopje (after it's capital) and the Greeks postulated wildly and crazily that the Macedonian state with it's 2.1 Mio, inhabitants and an army smaller than our national guard might attack it's large neighbor Greece.

The Greeks gave as a reason for not recognizing the Republic of Macedonia, that " we have a Macedonia here in Greece and thus there cannot be a Macedonia just on the opposite site of the border". The logic in this is absurd and I'm ashamed that so many ignorant journalists quoted the Greek reason without comments. Apparently they were unaware that Macedonia is split between three different countries. After a meeting in Brussels, where the EU-recognition of the state of Macedonia was postponed, although Macedonia fulfilled all requirements for recognition, the then Danish foreign minister, Uffe Elleman-Jensen, in a final salute as EU chairman, commented to the Greeks that they had to get themselves together and get the problem solved, concerning the name Macedonia and called it despicable of the Greeks to treat the Macedonians in this way.

The Greek spokespersons reacted violently, amongst them the former Greek vice prime-minister Athanasios Kannellopoulos, who angrily pronounced " with his comments, Mr. Jensen is a very bad example of the other foreign ministers. Mr. Jensen said that he'd be ashamed to be Greek because we're against that the new Skopje republic's use of the name Macedonia. To that my answer is: We'd be ashamed if Mr. Jensen was Greek!"
In "Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten" the MP Ame Melchior published a letter to the editor that exhibited his lack of knowledge about the populations in the Balkan peninsula under the title "Show concern for our Greek allied". He was answered by "Jyllands-Posten"s correspondent Per Nyholm "Show concern for the Macedonians".

Finally the Greeks accepted the name of Macedonia, but only in the form of The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, FYROM.

Now to the decisive point that journalists ought to have oriented " themselves about: In ancient times and in the Osmanian era, Macedonia was an area without internal borders, where the people after the 6. century had the south Slavic language Macedonian as mother tongue. It was in Macedonia the Cyrillic alphabet came to life, named after the monk Kyril. The bible was translated by the Macedonians to old-church-Slavic, that had the same influence on ecumenical language in eastern Europe as Latin had amongst the Catholics in western and central Europe. The Cyrillic alphabet spread not only to Bulgaria and Serbia, but also to Russia and other eastern Slavic countries. "Genuine" Hellenes described the ancient population of Macedonia as barbarians and Phillip II and Alexander the Great greekness are rather dubious. Albanian historians name them Illyrians, the oldest nation on Balkan and the Albanians are arguably their ancestors. Of higher importance was the Slav's immigration to the Balkan area in the 6. century. The Slavic tribe that settled in Macedonia took name after the province and preserved their language to modem times (with some grammatical exceptions...)

After the Balkan wars of 1912 and 1913, Macedonia was split in three. Aegean Macedonia came under Greece, Vardarmacedonia under Serbia and Pirimacedonia under Bulgaria. Vardarmacedonia was in 1945 after a heroic partisan war, one of the six republics in the new federal Yugoslavia and as promised by Tito, the republic got full national and cultural independence
- with due acknowledgment of it's compact Albanian and small Turkish minorities. As Yugoslavia split in 1991, the country had 23 Mio. inhabitants. Had all of Yugoslavia had the birthrate of the Albanians in western Macedonia and Kosovo, they would have been at 50 Mio! Kosovo and western Macedonia would have had to let the Albanians migrate to the rest of Serbia and Macedonia with resulting unemployment rates around 50%. The Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia are not oppressed. They have all rights - except the one to rise the Albanian flag and get an Albanian university - which wouldn't make a lot of sense as soon as they again can study at the large university in Prestina in Kosovo, Tito's pride. By the way, the ambassador of the Republic of Macedonia in Denmark is Albanian, the much respected Muhammed Halili.

Could one imagine the situation: the government of the North German federated state Schleswig Holstein declare: Schleswig is German and in Germany, Germans are living. Thus with no further notice, the Danish schools, including the "Duborgskolen" high school and "Jaruplund" high school, the Flensburg newspaper, Danish libraries and other foreign institutions will close. The Danish language is declared "not-wanted"? How about the opposite situation - if everything German was forbidden in southern Denmark? Unthinkable of course!

When a person misbehaves, it is in the first line the closest people's duty to intervene. National oppression is taking place in many countries outside the EU. But Greece is an EU member and is thus a "part of the family". But do we intervene, we, the closest people? No, we shut up. Of ignorance or misunderstood solidarity with the Greek leaders, who as the Serbs, consider themselves "superbalkanian". Other people knows more about the oppression than I, but I know a great many and every year more ignored and oppressed Slavic Macedonians in the Greek part of Macedonia. Can we justify our silence? I'm sure that Greece's unwillingness to accept the Republic of Macedonia is due to their black conscience over the oppression of Macedonians in Greece. Greece is (yet another) unworthy member of the EU.



Bulgarians demand respect of the human rights for our Bulgarians in "Greek" Macedonia. We want democracy in Greece for all citizens.

FOREWORD


When looking at the destiny of enslaved Bulgarians in Aegean Macedonia and at what they have suffered during the last 90 years two curtains that tightly screen their past have to be raised.

The first curtain had been dropped by our totalitarian regime which in the name of misunderstood and foreign international interest blared forth that our relations with their enslaver Greece were perfect and that "there were no problems between the two nations and countries".

When one speaks in his or her mother tongue at home on public places and that is why is being brought into jail - this is no problem. When the children are told every day that they are pure-blooded Hellenes and are persuaded to swear before a priest that they will pronounce no word in their mother tongue any more "the language of our enemies, Bulgarians" - this is no problem! When the Phanariot priests preach God's Word in incomprehensible language - this is no problem. When one madly brave village priest reads a sermon in his mother Bulgarian tongue and that is why he is brought into jail - this is no problem! When your compatriots are denationalized, assimilated and killed off - this is also no problem!

The second curtain had been dropped by the Greek State. It is a relative of the Berlin wall and still remains untouched. This curtain-wall has wonder features: from Greece to Bulgaria it allows any Greek to pass undisturbed whenever and as many times as he wants to come to Nessebar or Pomorie to pay respect to his or her grandparents. This wall is passed when teachers from the Greek Ministry of Education want to come. They come to organize courses on Greek language for some Greek emigrants. It is passed by some dance groups which show Greek dances and songs. There is nothing easier for hundreds of Greeks than to come to Sofia and to open shop, company or bank.

Try however to pass through this wall from Bulgaria to Greece. If you travel by a luxurious tourist bus on a journey to visit the Acropolis there will not be any trouble. But if you, as a descendant of Bulgarians chased from Macedonia, try to visit Voden, Lerin, Kostour or want to see and know your relatives left there, the wall is bullet-proof. If the hounds from the Greek consulates become aware that you were born in that region or that you have relatives there the wall becomes something more than the Majino line.

Nobody ever will give you a visa. To say nothing of a permission that you could open a shop, company or bank there. I would never believe my eyes if the Nevrokop priest Natanail, in spite of the fact that he has graduated theology in Athens, gets a permission to perform even one liturgy in Bulgarian language at the Bulgarian church in Lerin while the Greek church in the Center of Sofia resounds with chants in Greek.

The aim of this booklet is to help these curtains to be pulled down so that light and fresh air could get in. Let our unhappy compatriots feel that they are at the threshold of 21 century, that Greece fulfills honestly and publicly the obligations taken with certain international contracts and convention and keeps the human rights of its citizens - our compatriots.

We want nothing more than the Greek state wants for its compatriots for example in Albania, i.e. the right to speak in their mother tongue, the right to have their own school and to have the Bulgarian orthodox church.

In the name of the future European home, of peace and understanding in the Balkans, in the name of Greek's own interests we address to the orthodox Greek people, to its intellectuals and thinking people with the appeal: We do not want any territories. We want human rights for our own brothers in Macedonia. We want democracy in Greece to be valid also for our compatriots living there.

The sooner this happens and the wall that separates us falls the better for you, for us, for the coming generations. Please, help us to build together a new, clear and smart Balkan stage of our new European home!


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As it is known after the Balkan Wars 1912-1913 the biggest part of Macedonia (52%) was given to Greece. Even till 1988 the Greeks called this part of Aegean Macedonia "Northern Greece and Thrace". Since that year the province has the name "Macedonia".

The current roots of the violation of human rights of ethnic Macedonian Bulgarians in Greece are based on the events that occurred in 1913. At that time the Greek soldiers committed outrageous atrocities over the Macedonian population /see below/.

What is happening in these territories nowadays could be read in the publications of two journalists. The English journalist W. Hild in his publication "Traveling through Aegean Macedonia" tells that he has ascertained ,,brutal violence over the local population, desecration of graves, breaking of grave crosses inscribed with Slav letters, even erasing the graves and burning the bones". The Australian journalist Bert Birtles in his book "Exile from Aegea" published in 1938, states "Greece does not have a Jewish problem but a Macedonian one. In the name of Hellenization the local Slav minority is chased and arrested for unimportant reasons. General Metaxas' policy to inculcate his own national spirit in the Bulgarian minority brought the changing of the native Bulgarian names with Greek ones and the prohibition of speaking in mother tongue. These countrymen who did not obey his orders or those, who tried to oppose were resettled on Greek islands without any proceedings".

Very little has changed since that time. The disfranchisement of Macedonian Bulgarians from human rights is not only a memory from the 20s and the 30s of the last century. It continues even nowadays. During that time as well as nowadays the assimilation machine works on high revolutions. The surnames and family names are changed by force, communication in the mother tongue is prohibited, Bulgarian language is eliminated forever from schools and churches, the authentic names of towns, villages and countryside are Hellenisied, there are no newspapers, books and broadcasting for the local population. The folklore, the style of living, the customs and the spirit are treated as Greek.

The statements of Mr. Burtles will be confirmed by respective proofs taken from official Greek documents and published in Greek newspapers and magazines.
We have the facts for the violence over the Bulgarian population in 1912-1913 thanks to the official report of the International Commission for investigating the causes for conducting of the Balkan Wars, established by Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. In the International Commission took part: Dr. Josef Redlich from Vienna, Baron Constant d'Estumel - Senator and Justen Godart - Deputy of French Parliament, Dr. Walter Schbcking - Professor from Marburg, Germany, Francis Hirst - editor of the Economist, Dr. H. N. Brailsford - England, Professor Milioukov - Member of Russian Parliament, Dr. Salomon Dgon - Professor from Columbia University, USA.
The Carnegie Inquiry was published in English in 1914. The same report was republished again in 1994 in USA with foreword by the famous American policy expert M. Cenan.
The republishing of the book became necessary for two reasons. The first one is the higher interest in Balkan problems as consequence of the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The second one is the organized destroying by the interested parties of the copies of this report in almost all big libraries all over the world.
This 415 pages report is accompanied by numerous documents and maps and with academic precision reveals the truth for the causes and the way the Balkan Wars 1912-1913 were conducted.
The objectivity of the Commission can be illustrated by a single example, namely, the storm caused in the European press by the Greek propaganda against "the Bulgarian atrocities" exerted on Greek church leaders. The report established that: ,,Unlike the Bulgarians, the Greeks welcomed most kindly the foreign military correspondents and provided them with various information. Bulgaria was in a state of isolation and its telegraphic connections were disrupted. Thus, for example, the newspaper „ Tan " reported that the Bulgarians had hanged the Greek Bishop in the village of Doyran. But two months later we met him in person and spoke to him. A memorial service was held for the Bishop of Kavala; however, we met him some time later in Kavala. The correspondent of the above-mentioned paper also claimed to have attended the funeral of the Bishop in Seres, the latter having been put to cruel torments before being killed. (See the report of 23 July, from Livonovo.) That very Bishop was seen by us to perform his church services." (For references, see the Report, p. 78).


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The tragic fate of Bulgaria, and Macedonia, respectively, was conditioned by the geopolitical interests of two empires. The Austro-Hungarian Empire had set itself the task to usurp Bosnia and Herzegovina in the Balkans in order to get an outlet on the Adriatic Sea. The same was the purpose of the Serbian Kingdom. And, instead of seeking for an extension westwards, Serbia was pushed to look for territories to the south, along the valley of the river Vardar, and with the approval of Vienna. The British Empire restored Greece which had fallen under Turkish power. In order to protect its Imperial naval routes, England directed the Greek authorities to seek for an extension to the north, at the expense of the Bulgarian Slavonic population. The purpose was to close up the road for Bulgarians towards the Aegean Sea.
With the collaboration of its protectress, Greece moved to the north, starting from Epir and Thessalia, and penetrated the Turkish Empire, establishing Greek colonies on the Bulgarian ethnic territory - both in the towns and in the seaside villages. The Greek system of state began penetrating Macedonia with the overall collaboration of the Greek Orthodox Church.
After the establishing of the Bulgarian Exarchate in 1870, a harsh struggle began between Greece and the Bulgarian community, aimed at winning over the national awareness of the population. The Greek Orthodox Church served as a weapon of the Greek propaganda. The efforts of Greek propaganda were aimed at the Bulgarian population of Central Macedonia, i.e. the region bordered by Kostour - Seres to the south and by Ochrid - Prilep - Stroumitsa - Melnik - Nevrokop to the north. Following Greece's defeat during its 1897 War with Turkey, the Bulgarian national idea took over the Greek propaganda. IMARO was successful in overcoming the Graecoman's influence.
The Ilinden Uprising of 1903 struck the public opinion in Greece. It caused panic among the Greek state authorities who saw the danger of a complete failure of their plans for conquering Macedonia. These authorities were not so much troubled by the development of the military actions but rather by the overtures made by the Great Powers for a political settlement of the Macedonian question. In order to exert ifs influence with a view to achieving an outcome positive for Greece, the Greek government decided to make use of the disastrous end of the Ilinden Uprising. The only party to win anything at all from the Uprising was Greece.
Every textbook in modern history in Greece contains a chaptered titled ,,The Macedonian Struggle".
In 1904, the Greek government of Theotokis, on the advice of London, took energetic actions in Aegean Macedonia. A special committee ("Makedoniki komitato") was established in Athens to organize armed struggle against the Bulgarian population. Four officers were sent, among them Pavlos Melas, at present a Greek national hero. The Greek Embassy was re-structured and competent diplomats were sent there. In accordance with the preliminary plan for military actions, in 1904, the first Greek armed detachment was sent to the region of Bitolya, led by the above-mentioned Pavlos Melas; however, it was defeated near Kostour. According to the plan, the rebels had to terrorize the Bulgarian population, to support the Graecomans, and to establish points of support for the new detachments coming from Greece.
Melas was replaced by A. Santouris with a new group of officers. Throughout Greece money was raised to support these detachments.
In early 1905 new detachments were recruited (from Cretes - Mani, Roumeli, etc.) which were generously endowed by the Greek government with money and armament. On the example of the organized local Bulgarian population, the Greeks created supportive local forces and, through these Graecoman's units, organized in 1906 in Salonica military groups of young Graecomans led by Lieutenant Soumatis. Their purpose was to kill eminent revolutionaries of IMARO. These activities also involved the governing bodies of the Greek Church led by the Metropolitan Bishop Germanos Karavangelis who, together with the consuls Evgeniadis and Stornaris in Salonica led the invasion of the Greeks against the Bulgarian spirit and culture in the region of Kostour. The huge amounts of money available were distributed by two banks in Salonica which were established to serve special purposes. One of the banks was to transfer the money for bribing the Turkish pashas and senior officials so that they supported the efforts of the Greeks in their struggle against the rebellious Bulgarians. In their struggle against the IMARO revolutionaries, the Greek andarts (rebels) made use of information provided by the Turkish intelligence service, and also received frequent help from the Turks. The second bank financed and assisted the Greek tradesmen throughout Macedonia, who were boycotted by the Bulgarian population.
In early 1908, the Theotokis government entrusted the leadership of the operation called ,,The Macedonian Struggle" to Colonel Danglis, and Baltatsis was appointed Chairman of "Makedoniki komitato". The commandment was taken over by the General Staff of the Greek Army. Volunteers were summoned and in the 1907-1908 period the detachments grew up to several dozens commanded by regular officers and sergeants. Unfortunately, after the crush of the Ilinden Uprising, the resistance of the defeated IMARO grew weaker, also because of the internal conflicts between the Internal Organization and the Supreme Committee. The 1908 revolution of the Young Turks put an end to "The Macedonian Struggle". The Young Turks proclaimed a general amnesty and promised equality and civil rights to all nationalities. Under these circumstances, the internal conflict between Greeks and Bulgarians ceased. The four-year-long period of struggle proved successful for the Greeks. The Greek supremacy in the southern part of Macedonia was consolidated and a strong Greek presence was established in the disputed central region of Macedonia. The morale of the local population was strengthened up. "The Macedonian Struggle" indicated quite clearly to the European powers that the Greeks in Macedonia were to be the most important factor in the future of the Ottoman Empire. This success was due to the circumstance that the struggle was carried out with the organized efforts of the Greeks of Cretes, Thessalia and other provinces, who helped the local Greek population. That battle involved the whole Greek nation, just like in the 1811 Greek Revolution and the Cretes Uprising in the late 19th c.
According to the British histonan Douglas Denkih, yet another factor contributed for the success of "The Macedonian Battle". That was the broad- scale propaganda carried out among the local Bulgarian population by the Greek Orthodox Church. Although non-Greek speaking, groups of that population helped the Greeks as bearers of the Christian faith against the Muhammadans.
The leaders of the Greek Orthodox Church supported fervently the actions of the Greek states In order to illustrate the activities of the Greek church, a glimpse should be taken of the bitterest enemy of the Bulgarian spirit - the Metropolitan Bishop Gennanos Karavangelis. Data about this can be found in his autobiography published by the Salonica Institute for Studies on the Balkan Peninsula ("Penelopa Delta", Salonica, 1959). There it says:
1. He was the first and most fervent champion of the emergence of the andarts (Greek rebels) movement in Macedonia.
2. For 7 years (1900-1907), in his capacity as Metropolitan Bishop of Kostour, he raised the slogan "Let no Bulgarian remain".
3. Together with the officer from the Greek Army, Captain Vardas, he inspired and did everything necessary for carrying out the massacres which shook Bulgaria and the world. The word goes about the assassination of all the people at weddings in the villages of Zagorichane (region of Kostour) and Zeieniche (region of Lerin). Here is his own testimony about the massacre in Zagorichane: "The village had over 600 houses... These were the worst Bulgarians in my diocese. When Vardas decided to punish them, he wrote to me and I sent him the names of our people (agents - author's note), so that he left them alone. In the eve of 30 March 1905, he hid himself with 300 men in the forest opposite the village. Early in the morning they entered the village and began shooting... They killed the people and put their houses to fire. On that day, 79 Bulgarian were killed. Sixty people were killed in the church where a wedding was held. The bride, the bridegroom, the priest, and some other people were slaughtered. Not many of our people suffered because I had given Vardas a list of their names and they had concealed themselves..."
4. Karavangelis also used the services of hired assassins and paid 5 pounds for each chopped off head of people pointed out by the Metropolitan Bishop. In the same way, the voyvod Lazar Poptraykov, who was wounded in the Uprising, was slaughtered by the Graecoman Kote from the village of Rulya, region of Kostour. Karavangelis paid 50 pounds and put the picture of the cut head in his office.
5. As a leader of the andarts' movement, he wrote: "The Greek detachments grew continuously and increased in numbers (he mentions the names of 30 men of Cretes who were in the lead of the detachments). I kept regular touch with them through the Consulate in Bitolya and the Metropolitan Bishops. I personally met them and instructed them to kill all priests and Bulgarian teachers."
The actions of that Metropolitan Bishop - a true incarnation of the Satan - was typical of the role of the Greek Orthodox Church in the struggle against the Bulgarians in Macedonia. The Greek efforts for overtaking the territory inhabited by Macedonian Bulgarians proved successful because of the tragic outcome of the 1903 Ilinden Uprising. Our historiographic literature offers no studies in this respect.
The efforts of the Greeks to avail themselves of the defeat of the Ilinden Uprising were duly re-paid during the Balkan Wars. Greece achieved diplomatic success unexpected even by the greatest optimists, by gaining 34,603 sq. km., or 52 per cent of the whole territory of Macedonia, which comprised the richest and most fertile land which yields two or three crops annually. Thus hundreds of thousands of Macedonian patriots were pushed away and a bloody process started of Greek assimilation of the Macedonian Bulgarians who had remained in their native land.


HISTORY OF THE OCCUPIED "GREEK" MACEDONIA
The Chasing of Macedonian Bulgarians After 1919


After the Nei treaty was signed in 1919, according to article 56 of the same agreement Bulgaria was forced to sign the convention for free repatriation. The protocols, signed in Geneva in September 1924, in which the Bulgarian minority in Greece was placed under the supervision of the United Nations, could not be executed, because the Greek Parliament did not ratify them. An intensive chasing of the Bulgarians from Aegean Macedonia started. Ruthless terror and slaughtering of Bulgarian population took place. For example, in 1924 the Greek officer Doksaniks gave orders for the 19 local villagers, captured and brought to the district administration in the town of Ser, to be shot oh the road between Turnlis and Gorno Brodi. That was followed by countless executions of Bulgarians, refusing to be expatriated to Bulgaria. We will not mention all of the cases, because this shall be done in addition. We would like only to stress the fact that the blood of the Macedonian Bulgarians was shed again during the


GREEK CIVIL WAR (1945-1949)


Our compatriots became victims of the Greek Communist Party, that was manipulating and lying to our compatriots that it would recognize their minority status, if they fought on its side. This manipulation was done in full coordination with the bolshevik governors of Skopje and Belgrade - Aleksandar Rankovich, Milovan Djilas, Lazar Kolishevski, Tzvetko Uzunov, Michajlo Apostolski and Paskal Mitrevski. On October 14th, 1946 they stated the password ,,Now you will go down (to Aegean Macedonia). The leader of your struggle will be the Greek Communist Party". This party got down to work and organized by force the whole Bulgarian population till the end of 1947. The ones, born in 1930-1931, were also mobilized to fight in the war, although they had not yet reached 17 years. In 1948 that party mobilized the whole population - men and women in the so called assisting units for digging trenches, fortifications etc., e.g. total mobilization of the whole population of Aegean Macedonia was carried out. The blood of our compatriots was ruthlessly shed for the accomplishment of foreign ideals. They were told that their national rights would be recognized.
This war took 30 to 40 victims from every village. The total number of Macedonian victims was 20000 persons. The supreme commander was the commander of the partisans Markos who said to the ,,Epikera" newspaper journalist: ,,We kill Slavs to keep Macedonia in Greece". His statement provided him with a visa for his return to Greece (see ,,New Macedonia" newspaper from February 25th, 1992). In September 1988 the Secretary General of the Greek Communist Party said in Thessaloniki that for the Greek Communist Party there is no Macedonian minority in Greece.


"VOLUNTARY" EXPATRIATION OF MACEDONIAN BULGARIANS


According to Greek Encyclopedia (Athens 1934), volume 1, page 405 and volume 16, page 532, on the basis of the Nei Treaty, the Kalafov-Politis protocol and the Molotov-Kafandaris Treaty from 1928, during the period 1913-1932 72000 Macedonian Bulgarians were resettled from Aegean Macedonia. That is only one part of the deported population. According to the Sever Treaty Greece has assumed the following international obligations concerning the minority groups in Greece:
a) Equality regarding the other nations in the field of protection of life, freedom, civil and political rights,
b) Free use of mother tongue, other than Greek, in the private and public life,
c) Right to their own humanitarian organizations, churches, schools, and
d) the Government of the state in question must provide education in their language.

According to volume 10, page 405 of the same Encyclopedia from 1928 as a result of the accommodation of the Greek immigrants from Asia Minor, the composition of the population in Aegean Macedonia was changed and was reduced to 81 000 Slav speaking persons in the districts of Voden, Lerin, Kostour and Kozani. According to the Manual of the Greek Statistical Bureau from 1934, 81 984 persons speaking Slav language lived in Greece and 16 775 - speaking Bulgarian. These numbers were used to show the loyalty of the obligations assumed by Article 7 of the Sever Treaty, according to which the country is obliged to provide civil and political rights of the Greek citizens irrespective of their nationality or religion. In order to mislead the international organizations the Greek Ministry of education gave orders to a commission to publish a primer book for Macedonian children, named Abecedar. The book was written with Latin letters, using the dialect of Lerin-Bittolya. It remained only an unfinished project, because the obligatory education in Greek language was introduced in the schools.
On October 11, 1930 the Greek Prime Minister Elefteros Vanizelos made the following statement:
,,The issue of the Macedonian minority in Greece will be solved and I will be the first in Greece, who will engage himself to open of Macedonian schools if that is requested by the people".
Of course, these were only words and actions to mislead the foreigners.
And the reality was:


1. ,,Eliniki Makedoniki Pigmi" - organization, fighting against Bulgarians. On January 26-27, 1926 the organization published the following regulation: ,,As from today we ban the use of Bulgarian dialect in allpublic places, in institutions, in trade relations, on meetings and gatherings, on festivities, receptions, weddings, etc. We order that the Greek language be spoken in all above stated cases. Police officers, authorities and governmental officials are not to speak with citizens in any other language but Greek".


2. During the dictatorship of Metaxas a law was passed that forbids the use of the dialect that's the way Bulgarian language was called. Here is an example:


WRIT OF SUMMONS


The public prosecutor in the village of Kato Idzura (Doino Kotari), based on the Articles 143-145 of the Criminal procedures, summons Georgus Jovanis Mitrusis, citizen of Polipotamos village (Nere) to appear personally in the court hall on May 15th, 1939, Monday, at 9.00 A.M., to be put on trial because on February 19, this year was caught speaking with another person in Slav language - thus violating Article 697 of the Criminal Law and in reference to the instruction of the police No. 15/36. In case the person named above doesn't come he will be tried in absentia.


Polipotamos Public prosecutor:
April 4, 1939 (Signature illegible)


During the period 1936-1940 about 5 250 Macedonian Bulgarians were prosecuted for using Bulgarian language on public places.


3. On September 9th, 1946 the commander of the National Guard in the village of Polipotamos issued the following announcement:
,,As from today I most strictly forbid all of the citizens from age of 2 to 50 years to use any other language but Greek."


4. In the Aegean Macedonian schools the students, using Bulgarian language are punished as following:
- by pricking on the tongue with needle.
- by taking by force of castor-oil
- by feeding by force with salted fish, salted herring, after which the drinking of water is not permitted.


5. The Greek newspaper ,,Katimerini" from August 11th 1959 stated: ,,A celebration was held out in the village of Atropos (Karpeshina, - Lerin), at which the inhabitants gave an oath that they will not speak any more in their Slav dialect in the future."


6. ,,Elenikos Voras" newspaper from August 11th, 1959 informed of the same ,,event":
,,The inhabitants of Atrapos - men, women and children by raising their right hand repeated the oath which was read by the mayor:
I promise before God, the people, and official state authorities that from today I shall stop speaking the Slav dialect, which only serves as a motive for incorrect interpretation by our enemies, the Bulgarians, and that always and everywhere I shall speak only the official language of my fatherland, the Greek language in which the Holy Bible of our Jesus Christ was written."


These reports were published also in the following Greek newspapers: ,,Elinikos Voras" Thessaloniki, 4.8.1959; ,,Vima" - Athens, 78.7.1959; ,,Elpheteria" - Athens, 7.7.1959; Elinikos Voras, 8.8.1959
The persecution of the Bulgarian language was the priority task. But other activities of Bulgarian national consciousness were also persecuted:
1. Prohibition for the use of local folk dances
- ,,Stohos" newspaper, 16.4.1987: ,,We made a list of all persons, singing in a dialect (e.g. Bulgarian) at fairs, weddings, etc.
Do not sing in another language or „ idiom " but Greek, because you will curse the day you were born. "
- ,,Stohos" newspaper - 21.8.1986; In the publication: ,,The perfect danced in the rhythm of horo on the sounds ,,Free Macedonia" and,,Eleno, girl, Eleno" is mentioned that on Ascension Day in the village of Atrapos the perfect danced ring dance in the rhythm of Macedonian Slav Songs and appeals as follows:
„... Speaking and singing on any other language but Greek is not allowed. Cut their tongues off so we can save Greece".
- ,,Mahitis" newspaper - 6.8.1987 - There was a wedding with folk music in the village of Melitis (Vostarevo). Four cars with members of KIP (Greek Intelligence) blocked the wedding from all sides and recorded the music sind the speaking of the wedding.
- ,,Stohos" newspaper - 5.7.1990 - In the information about the wedding of the granddaughter of Kostidis (Kacibanov) the newspaper is fascinated that this was the only wedding on which Slav songs were not sung.

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The Greek Web Site proclaim false 4000 years Greek Civilization in Macedonia. They forget intentionally the last 2000 years was Bulgarian Civilization there. If this can be called a civilization the 90 years Greek occupation of part of Macedonia since 1912, oppression, ethnic cleansing, erasing of the Bulgarian culture, forbidding Bulgarian language, schools, religion, and unscrupulous denationalization of the majority of the Macedonian population 75% Bulgarians? God should save us from such uncivilized Greek yoke. Does Greece belong to Europe?

lol. I cant wait for you to get mauled by the other posters on here. I will just leave you with this picture to ponder:



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A common atrocity, committed by bulgarian occupiers during WW2, working with the germans. The Bulgarians could not understand why people who spoke a slavic idiom despised bulgarians, spoke greek and played greek songs the bulgarians stopped and hung the band for playing greek songs.







Long live the Bulgarian speaking Greeks who defended their Hellenism and Hellenic identity against all the odds. Macedonia is in Greek hands and always will be.

I have nothing against Bulgarians normally but you my freind are a peasant
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The Bulgarians were even less civllised than the Turks around that time:

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The British General Consul Sir Alfred Billioti to the British Charge D'Affaires J.B.Whitehead.

Source: Foreign Office F.O. 195/2156, p76r-80v, prot.no. 20



Thessaloniki, January 26, 1903


Sir,


Two years ago some Greco-Vlachs, i.e. Wallachians who are educated exclusively in Greek schools and embued with Greek ideas, who in some parts speak nothing but Greek, and form, in the Vilayet of Monastir the bulk of the Macedonian Greek population, requested the permission of the Patriarchate to use the Roumanian language in their churches. The Patriarchate refused but the Exarchate acceded to the request, and this false step on the part of the former caused the first split in the Greco-Vlach party by inducing a number of Vlachs to throw in their lot with the Exarchate. These new converts were, as is usually the case, more fervent than the Exarchists themselves and bashed by the Committees' bands resorted to intimidation and murder to coarse their compatriots who had remained faithful to the Patriarchate to join them.


One of the first Greco-Vlach villages affected was Oshin in the Caza of Ghevgheli,at the instigation of the Exarchist inhabitants of which two of the most influential Patriarchists were murdered in August last by a Bulgarian band under a certain Giovanni or Yovanoff of Ghevgheli. About three months ago, as I mentioned in my report no 198 of November 9, 1902, he called at Oshin with his band and that of another leader, Argiri, turned out at the Greek schoolmasters, appointed Roumanians (Non-Bulgarian speaking) and tried to induce the Orthodox priest to turn Exarchists, but failing in this they insisted on their reading the liturgy in Roumanian. On the priests' pleading ignorance of the language Yovanoff gave them six months to learn it. Since their other chiefs have joined Yovanoff and Arghiri, viz. Pavlo, who died lately, Athanasi, Karadouka, and Apostoli, but the men under them do not exceed forty, a number which may, however, be increased at any time by recruits from among the natives. These chiefs have continued the system initiated at Kupa, Oshin, Houma, Longountza, and Loubnitsa, neighbouring villages of Ghevgheli, where also the Patriarchists are in the majority. In the village of Ghera Kortzi, where they form the minority, one of the most influential among them was murdered in broad day light while working in his field by a Bulgarian band some three weeks ago for refusing to recant. Papa Nikola, Orthodox priest of Livadi, another Greco-Vlach village some five hours distance from Goumendje is being threatened with death for remaining Patriarchist and if he is murdered the whole village will join the Exarchate from fear. Meanwhile the forty men forming these Bulgarian bands live at the expense and in the houses of the Orthodox (or Roum, as they are officially termed, whether Greeks or Vlachs, in contradiction to the Exarchists), and no longer of the BULGARIAN peasants, thus shifting the onus of supposed complicity from the latter to the former, as reported to one of my previous dispatches.


The villages in the southwestern district of Ghevheli, Gorpop, Boemitza, Bogdanza, Bores (or Bogros), Stoyakovo, Matchoukovo etc, are only in part Exarchist, but the villages of Yenidje Vardar, Kriva, Barovitza, Tchernareka, Petges, Ramna, Petrovo with Corfalia (or Corfali) in Salonica are entirely Orthodox. None of these are, however, being pressed just now by the bands to join the Exarchate nor to dismiss their Greek schoolmasters but they have been warned to hold themshelves ready to take up arms when ordered to do so in a few months. In the meantime they are threatened with death if they should denounce the bands, for whose reception they are ordered to have a house and provisions in constant readiness. All these details some of which I have already had the honour of reporting, e.g. the payment of the taxes to the Committees agents and not to the Government, the submittal of cases to the Committees representatives and not to the local tribunals, the rape of Dimitris' daughter at Moouin for her father's refusal to join the bands and (as I did not know at the time) the exaction from him of twenty five pounds, have only lately come to light. The poor wretches, who suffered, being afraid to visit even Salonica for fear of being suspected of having come to denounce their opressors and only lately have a few dared to come secretly and, explaining their position, enquire what they can do for themselves or what can be done for them. They trembled lest the bands should discover what would assuredly cost them their lives.

The Vali himself is at a loss how to relieve the Patriarchists. He told me a forthnight ago that he had summoned the Kaimakamis of Ghevgheli and Yenidje Vardar and secretly arranged with them to invest all the villages mentioned above on a given day and in case of need to repeat the operation until successful, and also to send out flying columns. But nothing has been done, nor do I anticipate any very brillant result from such a plan even if carried out properly and thoroughly with the strong force required since many of the Komitatjis are villagers against whom it would be difficult to prove anything, while the strangers have secured themselves against denunciation by the terrorism which they have established, and would succeed in slipping through the lines. Want of foresight on the part of the Government has, I fear, allowed matters to go too far for any remedy to be easily discoverable. The late Halil Rifat Pasha was induced by the dread of an "atrocities outcry", which has after all been raised, to allow the small minority of new-made Exarchists to share the Churches of the Patriarchists, who naturally regarded them as schismatics and to use the Bulgarian Liturgy - or to cause the closure of the Churches for months, thus depriving their original proprietors of the means of fulfilling their religious duties, even on such holidays as Christmas and Easter. The support thus given to the Exarchists was the more regrettable that it encouraged the revolutionary Committees to attain their end by assasinating the priests whom they could not bribe and the notables whom they could not coerce. I frequently called the successive Valis' attention to this policy as detrimental to the interests of their Government, but in answer they all said that they were acting orders from the Porte which they could not disregard. The only other band which is known to exist in this Vilayet is that of Alexis of Poroia. The daring which prompted his attempt on the train ( as reported in my dispatch No13 of the 17 inst.) near the station of Poroia proves how far the bands have esthablished themselves or, at least, how inadequate are the means employed by the local authorities hitherto in coping with them.


The sufferings of the Greeks, described above, extend also to those Bulgarians and Vlachs who are Patriarchists and can only be remedied by the extermination of the few now existing bands, which if not destroyed will form the nucleus of larger bands in the spring. Only exceptionally severe and thorough measures can effect this and only the appointment of the most trustworthy officers for the work can prevent an "atrocities outcry".
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These map shows Greek schools in red and bulgarian in green:

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"We want nothing more than the Greek state wants for its compatriots for example in Albania, i.e. the right to speak in their mother tongue, the right to have their own school and to have the Bulgarian orthodox church."

The Bulgarian churches are in Green. Greece has nothing to HIDE. Stop the LIES and the DECEIT... you obviously have nothing more to do than to make lies and garbage... where is your evidence? Here is Ours:


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What about FYROM????

Discrimination against the Greek Church

Discrimination against Albanian children and Albanians


http://www.crin.org/resources/infoDetail.asp?ID=3435

"Albanians in Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) represent 23% of the whole population according to the official registrations; according to other sources they amount at least 1/3 of the population. In some regions, geographically linked with Albania and Kosova, Albanians are autochthon nation and constitute an almost absolute majority. Though the FYROM is a multiethnic state, the government of FYROM declares itself as a national state of Macedonians, where the only official language is Macedonian and the only official religion Orthodox. According to this concept, Albanians are treated as a minority, it means as a community, for which the rights are segregated, limited."
UN SUB-COMMISSION ON PREVENTION OF DISCRIMINATION AND PROTECTION OF MINORITIES
http://www.radicalparty.org/humanrights/ma_un98.htm

Discrimination against pro-Bulgarians

Similar cases of harassment of pro-Bulgarian organisations and activists have been reported in the Republic of Macedonia. In 2000 several teenagers threw smoke bombs at the conference of pro-Bulgarian organisation 'Radko' in Skopje causing panic and confusion among the delegates. The perpetrators were afterwards acclaimed by the Macedonian press as national heroes. 'Radko' was later banned by the Macedonian Constitutional Court as separatist. The organisation has continued its activity, though mostly in the cultural field.
Front cover of Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarians by Stefan Verkovic, first edition (1860)

Front cover of Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarians by Stefan Verkovic, first edition (1860)


In 2001 'Radko' issued in Skopje the original version of the folk song collection 'Bulgarian Folk Songs' by the Miladinov Brothers (issued under an edited name in the Republic of Macedonia and viewed as a collection of Slav Macedonian lyrics). The book triggered a wave of other publications, among which the memoirs of the Greek bishop of Kastoria, in which he talked about the Greek-Bulgarian church struggle at the beginning of the 20th century, as well the Report of the Carnegie Commission on the causes and conduct of the Balkan Wars from 1913. Neither of these addressed the Slavic population of Macedonia as Macedonian Slav but as Bulgarian. Being the first publications to question the official Macedonian position of the existence of a distinct Macedonian Slav identity going back to the time of Alexander the Great, the books triggered a reaction of shock and disbelief in Macedonian Slav public opinion. The scandal after the publication of 'Bulgarian Folk Songs' resulted in the sacking of the Macedonian Minister of Culture, Dimitar Dimitrov.


Interestingly, In June, 2004, the "Macedonian" state television announced with alarm that at least one member of every fourth household in the eastern part of the former Republic of "Macedonia" had already received a Bulgarian passport or had at least applied for one.






Propagation of Hate and LIES in Public Schools in F.Y.R.O.M

"The Balkan Peninsula at the time
of the settlement of the Southern Slavs"
The entire area known today as Macedonia, including Mt. Olympus, Chalkidiki, and Mt. Athos but excepting Thessaloniki, is presented as inhabited by "Slav Macedonians". Both the boundaries and the national terminology used were completely unknown at that time. (Grade 7 History, natural sciences and mathematics stream. Skopje 1992, page 155).

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Very rich coming from a bulgarian, complaining about human rights violations....need i remind you that it was your "yoke" that allied with the Ottomans and forced upon the residents of macedonia the slavic language.....and need i mention you sold out your supposed slavic brethren all through the 20th century and even participated in the execution of them.....i love who posted that picture of the hangings....that purely exemplified how brotherly like the bulgarians were to their supposed brethren.....buddy, go crawl back in your communist cave and hope that one day you will even be considered for the EU.....because like your real brethren, the Turks/Tartars, you won't be gaining entry any time soon
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The Miladinov Brothers (Bulgarian: Братя Миладинови; Macedonian: Браќа Миладиновци). Dimitar Miladinov (1810-1862) and Konstantin Miladinov (1830-1862), were Bulgarian poets (in Republic of Macedonia they are considered Macedonian) and folklorists from Macedonia, authors of the most important collection of Bulgarian folk songs in the 19th century, Bulgarian Folk Songs (1861). The collection includes a total of 665 songs and 23,559 verses.
Although the Miladinov Brothers always called the language in which they wrote Bulgarian, since the establishment of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia they have been regarded by some linguists as Macedonians contributing for the development of the Macedonian language.


Bulgarian Folk Songs has been re-issued in the Republic of Macedonia under an edited name, Collection; the references to Macedonia in the foreword as "Western Bulgaria" have been removed, and other references to "Bulgaria" and "Bulgarian language" have been replaced with "Macedonia" and "Macedonian language", due to the fact that most of the songs in this collection are in dialects spoken in Macedonia.
In the 1980s, the original edition of the book was subjected to systematic acts of vandalism in Western libraries [citation needed], often carried by Yugoslav expatriates and usually resulting in the tearing of the front cover. For this reason, the book may be borrowed only as a photocopy nowadays.






Why was the book changed? Why were the authors writtings changed?

Why does FYROM rely on LIES?
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More FYROM Bulgarian Lies

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/alexfake.html

Fake Letter from Alexander the Great
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The Truth About the Macedonians

Macedonians are Greeks. Bulgarians are the new Former Republic "Macedonians" which wish they were real Macedonians. They are not so they make up lies and generate much hate over these lies against others.

This must stop. Slavic people migrated hundreds and thousands of years after the real ancient Macedonians. You are not Macednians by any meaning of the name which is Greek in term and Greek in origin.
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