You all have to read this??!!

[Truth Bearer]

This article takes the cake in the biggest conspiracy of all.......No joke the guy is serious

Op Ed: Why Macedonia isn't going to NATO
Tuesday, 18 March 2008

We are all witnessing an absurd campaign by the Greek Government to destroy Macedonia's name, identity, national conscious and the country itself. Is Greece alone in their quest?

Perhaps we are seeing another 1913, ironically, another infamous Bucharest Summit when Macedonia as a country was torned up into three pieces, Greece receiving the largest one, 51% of Macedonia's territory.

95 years later
Back to where we started. Situation has not changed, at least not in any way for the good of the Macedonian people. But lets backtrack 7 years, to 2001.

Macedonian intelligence officers intercepted satelite conversations between UCK terrorist units and the NATO command and control center in Skopje. If you guessed the UCK used NATO's satellite phones, you would be right. NATO command and control gave military intelligence information to the UCK about whereabouts of Macedonian units. Later the UCK used this information to ambush Macedonian soldiers.

Macedonian Intelligence Officers were dismayed at the calls they intercepted. A NATO office just few block away from them was helping their enemy, which themselves have listed as a terror organization.

Macedonians quickly realized they were fighting the EU and the US, the UCK was simply their proxy force. Using UCK is cheaper, more efficient. You hire someone, the UCK, to create a problem, then step in to mediate and look like you are trying to find a solution for the problems you created in the first place. The result was the "Ohrid Agreement" that many see today as a major step toward Albanian secession from Macedonia, of course, sponsored by EU and NATO.

How does secession and separatism work. Very simply, actually. And the EU and NATO have perfected this.

First you fabricate a census. Albanians in Macedonia, overnight, from 11% went to 25%. Macedonian authorities did not agree to the census, but they had to, the numbers came from EU/NATO. Second, you take the 25%, and instill this information in the mindset of everyone you try to influence, particularly in the western world. While at it, make sure in every press release (BBC, CNN & other media outlets) you change it up a bit, increase it from 25 to 30, and why not even 40% of Albanians.

Second is always the language. It is important for westerners to feel bad about 'oppressed' Albanians. Throw around 25% to 40% and say their language is not official, they don't get to speak it! How terrible the Macedonians are, nearly half of their population is Albanian and they can't even speak their language. This is how Albanian comes into the door as official language. Albanians don't stop there, and would like the language to be official in the Macedonian Parlaiment.

Flag. Albanian flag should be flown in municipalities and on official state meetings. I wish the US flies the Mexican flag on Capitol Hill, and France the German flag. Albanians show no ties and have never shown ties to Macedonia, their aim is to take Western Macedonia, by far the most beautiful part of the Balkans. Most of Albanians in Macedonia's parlaiment are from Kosovo. Their job is exlusively to destabilaze Macedonia. For their job they are paid, and have been paid to do so for a long time.

Bulgaria: Still dreams about San Stefano. In their mind, Macedonia belongs to them. Even though Macedonian partisans fought vehemently against Bulgarian Axis soldiers, and after dozens of Bulgarians fascists were hanged in the Skopje square after their defeat, Bulgaria still propagates the propaganda that Macedonians and Bulgarians are brothers. Perhaps, but from a different mother and father. Recently, Bulgaria has issued passports to Macedonians, who being isolated from the EU, resort to getting a Bulgarian passport so they can travel. This, will be used by Bulgaria to intervene(occupy) Macedonia if anything goes wrong (I am afraid it will) claiming it is only acting to protect 'Bulgarians'.

Greece: Macedonia's name is not a problem for Greece. Greece at the moment is a proxy, it is what the UCK was and still is for NATO/EU/US. Greece is controlled and is told what to do. On the other hand, NATO acts, once again as the "good guy" trying to solve a problem, a problem they created. The US/NATO/EU could force Greece to change its name, if they ever wanted to. If Macedonia changes its name, Albanians would rise up, as instructed, and claim their desire not to be part of an 'artificial' country, hence the secession. Nothing occurs by chance.


This isn't about Macedonia's name, there are different plans at stake, plans that I am afraid will not see Macedonia in NATO. I very much hope I am wrong.

The wheel of history turns, empires, organizations rise and fall, and the fortunes of men and nations change. Nothing is inevitable, or set, or hopeless. Irony, however, endures.

L. N. Political Analyst, MIT

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/319/49/

[Amarantos]

when Macedonia as a country was torned up into three pieces

the celebration of ignorance

If Macedonia changes its name, Albanians would rise up, as instructed, and claim their desire not to be part of an 'artificial' country, hence the secession. Nothing occurs by chance.

Do the albanians feel "macedonians"?

The wheel of history turns, empires, organizations rise and fall

what? The skopjan "empire" is gonna fall?

Nothing is inevitable, or set, or hopeless. Irony, however, endures.

A philosopher though

[Truth Bearer]

This article has to go down as one of the great ones definately Hall of Fame material....Mind you it's from a finacial web page so it's a serious write up.

[dellux]

Veto for Greece

The name is not defended on the street, with yelling, using primitive Macedonian, and especially not with hulliganism. The name is not defended with inner fighting, pointing finger and hidden joy with the hope the Government will loose the name fight. Yes SDSM, I am talking about you.
All of this is happening, can't you see?

So called �experts�, �intellectuals�, �journalists� are constantly complaining that we will loose our name, our country, our identity and nation. Yet they always fail to tell us what should we do! They are talking to the streets, they are feeding us information as if they are campaigning for elections!

I can only say that they are very irresponsible, and much less rational in their response to the Athens provocation, their press and hot headed ultra nationalists who should not be located in Europe, much less in the EU, yet they somehow are.
My colleagues Ministers, Experts for EU and NATO, the two bastions of democracy and universal human rights, are sorry that the Yunanistans from the South Balkans were admitted in their ranks.
I am told this daily, with sadness and resignation, and are expecting of us to be the smarter ones and let it go.
We could possible behave that way if we were even in the guilt. But we aren't. Greece is an undemocratic country, doesn't respect the benefits of the EU, has never shown unity with defensive responsibilities in NATO.
If somone needs to be vetoed and to be kicked out from both European Organizations of Democratic and Unified Countries, it is Greece.

Once again we sat ourselves up for the Greeks, and they constantly send us Troyan horses, one after another, so we don't start campaigning and ask our allies in NATO and EU if they really needed a deranged country that breaks universal human rights. And isn't this type of a country a contradiction to NATO and the EU?

There is no Nimetz package. Presently there are open discussions and talks how the next talks would go for Greece's problem with our name.
The talks themselves are our maximum compromise to which the Greeks have no solution. Only from that angle, we have enough reasons in the name of our soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia, Lebanon .... to ask for Greece's suspension from NATO. In fact, Greece should be simply removed from NATO.

Is there a country on this planet, such as ours, which allows itself talks about its name with a different country, and while being blackmailed?
There isn't a country that has brought more headaches to NATO than Greece.
Greece is in constant military tensions with Turkey, they still have territorial ambitions, and now they turned to us, another neighbor and create another crisis. They have quarrel with us, and even more damaging, with NATO and EU, with warnings, threats.

If you read the NATO statute, you will see that this organization was created so it would eliminate the behavior that Greece has manifested for 40 years and counting.

Greece will deserve to be permanently removed from NATO with their veto threat, to which it doesn't have the right to, if it continues with its aggressive threats towards Macedonia and damages NATO's organization, its credibility and unity. And is already doing so.

NATO's foundation is based on unity and Greece is knifiing it.

Not accepting Macedonia into NATO will mean NATO breaking its own rules and statute.

Macedonia is by far more democratic than Greece. In every sense of the word. While Macedonia makes sure every minority enjoys fullest rights even giving more rights than the EU statute for human rights, Greece is doing just the opposite, threatens Macedonians, Turks, Albanians simply because they don't want to be Greeks.
Macedonia is involved with 4% of its Army in all NATO operations, while Greece is virtually non existent in NATO with 0.1% of its Army.
Not accepting Macedonia in NATO, will show that NATO is a joke, not only because it shows no unity, but because it fails on the test of strategic EU defense.

Macedonia will be NATO's member, with or without Greece. For us it's good enough to affirm our values.
We are certainly not perfect, but have always been better than the Greeks.

Nothing more.
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/250/49/

And here is one coment of one Macedonian from Solun:

I live in Solun, I am not Greek. I am Macedonian.
A friend of mine spent 2 weeks in jail because he spoke Macedonian to his Macedonian customers. Greece is on the same level of democracy as Afghanistan.

I wonder if all of you Macedonians(Greeks) were to prison for declaring as Macedonians and speaking Macedonian?

[Demetrius Doukas]

Dellux.........."Solun" is a bulgarian name you are at fault again this fellow must be a bulgarian maybe some of your relations Please do not serve us such scopian rubish, Ok?

[Amarantos]

Originally Posted by dellux

And here is one coment of one Macedonian from Solun:

I wonder if all of you Macedonians(Greeks) were to prison for declaring as Macedonians and speaking Macedonian?

And here is a comment of a long curly hair guy on tv not long time ago

I have special powers and i comunicate with extraterrestials through my curls. Once i was even kidnapped by extraterrestials and remained their hostage for a few days.

Here is the

document " title="document" target="_blank">document

!

You see dear Skopjans. Every one has the right to express themselves freely in Greece.

What that ""macedonian"" from ""solun"" said is no different than what this guy says.

It's a total bullshit ,since if a person takes a walk at some parts of Egnatia Street , he will see IN PUBLIC many advertisements in slavic mainly for the sell of furs. I already told you that the majority of the people do not understand the difference if the language on those advertisements is russian, bulgarian, polish or whatever. And you are not that fucking important for the state to send policemen to control if a seller talks a "prohibited language", when policemen are not enough to make patrols through the neighbourhoods of certain areas where there is a high criminality rate! Unless we have to accept that policemen in Greece are experts on foreign (mainly slavic) languages, which is not a very plausible scenario. Everywhere in the world i guess.

So for once in your lives try to be serious dear neighbours. It's not a good think when people laugh at your stupidity because you wanna have some kind of publicity like the guy with the antennas - hair

[Cadmus]

And here is a comment of a long curly hair guy on tv not long time ago


Quote:
I have special powers and i comunicate with extraterrestials through my curls. Once i was even kidnapped by extraterrestials and remained their hostage for a few days.

Here is the document !

You see dear Skopjans. Every one has the right to express themselves freely in Greece.

What that ""macedonian"" from ""solun"" said is no different than what this guy says.

HAHAHAHA Amarantos that video clip was seriously funny i almost laughed my ass off, and your comment was pretty onspot to!

Just look at the guys hair!...obviously a mental case , but oh so funny...
What Greek program was it on?

[Amarantos]

A program that provides in a "serious" manner and frame (for the housekeeper that at that precise moment has to deal with cleaning and ironing) 15 minutes of fame to anyone that is interested to come to the center of attention. Not necessarily mental cases....cases definately though
What some persons wouldn't do for those 15 minutes. Just like the one from ""solun"" who was arrested by the extraterrest....policemen.

[Greek-Cowboy]

This is nonsense.. rubbish and you know it!Propoganda

"Nothing more.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/250/49/

And here is one coment of one Macedonian from Solun:


I wonder if all of you Macedonians(Greeks) were to prison for declaring as Macedonians and speaking Macedonian? [/quote]"

Originally Posted by dellux

Veto for Greece

The name is not defended on the street, with yelling, using primitive Macedonian, and especially not with hulliganism. The name is not defended with inner fighting, pointing finger and hidden joy with the hope the Government will loose the name fight. Yes SDSM, I am talking about you.
All of this is happening, can't you see?

So called �experts�, �intellectuals�, �journalists� are constantly complaining that we will loose our name, our country, our identity and nation. Yet they always fail to tell us what should we do! They are talking to the streets, they are feeding us information as if they are campaigning for elections!

I can only say that they are very irresponsible, and much less rational in their response to the Athens provocation, their press and hot headed ultra nationalists who should not be located in Europe, much less in the EU, yet they somehow are.
My colleagues Ministers, Experts for EU and NATO, the two bastions of democracy and universal human rights, are sorry that the Yunanistans from the South Balkans were admitted in their ranks.
I am told this daily, with sadness and resignation, and are expecting of us to be the smarter ones and let it go.
We could possible behave that way if we were even in the guilt. But we aren't. Greece is an undemocratic country, doesn't respect the benefits of the EU, has never shown unity with defensive responsibilities in NATO.
If somone needs to be vetoed and to be kicked out from both European Organizations of Democratic and Unified Countries, it is Greece.

Once again we sat ourselves up for the Greeks, and they constantly send us Troyan horses, one after another, so we don't start campaigning and ask our allies in NATO and EU if they really needed a deranged country that breaks universal human rights. And isn't this type of a country a contradiction to NATO and the EU?

There is no Nimetz package. Presently there are open discussions and talks how the next talks would go for Greece's problem with our name.
The talks themselves are our maximum compromise to which the Greeks have no solution. Only from that angle, we have enough reasons in the name of our soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia, Lebanon .... to ask for Greece's suspension from NATO. In fact, Greece should be simply removed from NATO.

Is there a country on this planet, such as ours, which allows itself talks about its name with a different country, and while being blackmailed?
There isn't a country that has brought more headaches to NATO than Greece.
Greece is in constant military tensions with Turkey, they still have territorial ambitions, and now they turned to us, another neighbor and create another crisis. They have quarrel with us, and even more damaging, with NATO and EU, with warnings, threats.

If you read the NATO statute, you will see that this organization was created so it would eliminate the behavior that Greece has manifested for 40 years and counting.

Greece will deserve to be permanently removed from NATO with their veto threat, to which it doesn't have the right to, if it continues with its aggressive threats towards Macedonia and damages NATO's organization, its credibility and unity. And is already doing so.

NATO's foundation is based on unity and Greece is knifiing it.

Not accepting Macedonia into NATO will mean NATO breaking its own rules and statute.

Macedonia is by far more democratic than Greece. In every sense of the word. While Macedonia makes sure every minority enjoys fullest rights even giving more rights than the EU statute for human rights, Greece is doing just the opposite, threatens Macedonians, Turks, Albanians simply because they don't want to be Greeks.
Macedonia is involved with 4% of its Army in all NATO operations, while Greece is virtually non existent in NATO with 0.1% of its Army.
Not accepting Macedonia in NATO, will show that NATO is a joke, not only because it shows no unity, but because it fails on the test of strategic EU defense.

Macedonia will be NATO's member, with or without Greece. For us it's good enough to affirm our values.
We are certainly not perfect, but have always been better than the Greeks.

Nothing more.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/250/49/

And here is one coment of one Macedonian from Solun:


I wonder if all of you Macedonians(Greeks) were to prison for declaring as Macedonians and speaking Macedonian?

[dellux]

GREECE'S GAIN IN TERRITORY BY THE BUCHAREST TREATY 1913.

Increased the area of Greece from 25,014 to 41,933 square miles and her population from 2,660,000 to 4,363,000. The territory thus annexed included Epirus, southern Macedonia, Salonika, Kavala, and the Aegean littoral as far east as the Mesta River, and restricted the Aegean seaboard of Bulgaria to an inconsiderable extent of 70 miles, extending from the Mesta to the Maritza, and giving access to the Aegean at the inferior port of Dedeagatch. Greece also extended her northwestern frontier to include the great fortress of Janina. In addition, Crete was definitely assigned to Greece and was formally taken over on December 14, 1913.

Boundaries on the Balkans after the Treaty of London and the Treaty of Bucharest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:B...Boundaries.jpg