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Old 03-15-2008, 04:21 PM
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....emanate from the size of Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, but from the combinations of forces that can result in the future. Importance does not only have the relative force of state, but the combinations of force where it can include itself and that can use in order to destabilize a neighbouring country or a entire region.

FYROM does not have the right to acquire, by international recognition, an advantage enjoyed by no other state in the world: to use a name which of itself propagandizes territorial aspirations.
If Greece agrees to a dual name, it will end up running after third states urging them to adopt the new name in their bilateral ties with Skopje.
The old problem will go. But a new, bigger one will emerge.
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Old 03-15-2008, 04:38 PM
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Such a power like Greece should not feel any threats from such a small country like Macedonia. Not in any way.

If it stands on solid ground and has arguments in it's hands.
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Old 03-15-2008, 05:31 PM
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You are a puppet country in the hands of any Greek enemy (Turkey, USA, ...). You are a good excuse-tool against Greece's sovereignty. Don't do that to Greece. You (and we) are a small country. Don't ask help from GP's in your arrogant ideas. Lets solve the problems we have within reasoning, truth and common sense.
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Old 03-15-2008, 06:09 PM
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Akritas is right, but it is even more dangerous than that. There are many other consequences to an appeasement that would very potentially kill Hellenism. Pardon my crude language, but we will be the bitch of the Balkans if we cave in Chamberlain appeasement style.
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Old 03-15-2008, 06:17 PM
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Istor is right - it's the alliances this statelet makes not the state itself.

Alligning itself with Turkey so blatantly is enough to send them back to the stone age.
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When countries had to register their names it was natural that the British wanted Britain as the name of their country, however they had to face the French veto because Brittany is a geographical area of France and that why they got the name, United Kingdom. I think as an argument this example is enough!
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Such a power like Greece should not feel any threats from such a small country like Macedonia. Not in any way.

If it stands on solid ground and has arguments in it's hands.
The arguments are simple. No solution, No invitation. If Greece's right to veto is not respected by thr rest of the NATO countries then membership means nothing
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Old 03-15-2008, 06:34 PM
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Such a power like Greece should not feel any threats from such a small country like Macedonia. Not in any way.

If it stands on solid ground and has arguments in it's hands.
Yeah, sure, just as the Ottoman empire did not feel any threats from the tiny kingdom of Montenegro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_B...war#Operations

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Montenegro started the First Balkan War by declaring war against the Ottomans on September 25 (O.S.)/October 8, 1912."

Do you know what happened to the Ottoman empire afterwards? It was nearly wiped out of Europe...
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:47 PM
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Don't ask help from GP's in your arrogant ideas. Lets solve the problems we have within reasoning, truth and common sense.
But how my friends? How to solve this problem with you? We want solution of this problem, but the both sides are very far from solution. That's why the Great powers come in and try to help.
Maybe a union between Greeca and Macedonia is solution. Like the UK for example. Some kind of federation. I dont know how to deal this with you. You are in bad position and you rush to solve this problem. Not us.
That gives us addvantage.
The Nato and EU are the last chance for you to force Macedonia to change its name. Somehow i see thet Nato is runing out of your hands.
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dellux mate I don't know where yr getting yr info from but you are NOT getting into NATO.You must learn to compromise you must face reality.You tell us that you have already by amending the flag back in 1995. Yet can I ask you when did you start using the Star of Vergina as yr symbol?
P.S no go jose no go no NATO no E.U. Until yr learn to compromise.
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Old 03-15-2008, 11:53 PM
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And no we do not want u in a federation nor do we want yr land all we want is our historical integrity back our legacy our ancestry where it belongs the GREECE!!
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