Who is Pure nation today?

[akritas]

As you know the Skopjan propaganda speak that the Greeks are not a Pure nation. To speak for a puricity mean geographical close confinement. We hear Germans to speak for puricity when forgot to mention that in theirs lands had in the passed Slavic settlements.
We hear English to speak for puricity when also to forgot to mention that in their lands had in the past Celtic and Saxones settlemets.

What is your opinion ? There is any pure nation today ? The puricity means multiculture society ?

[Reaper]

Greeks our bound by culture more than blood ties for me. Greece also is definately not pure in a genetical sense either and imo even the ancients were mixed. Intermixing has gone on throughout the ages, but our language, way of life, openess to other cultures/ideas has kept our race a lot more concrete than other cultures around us or say the English who don't really know who they are anymore. I would never argue with a skop claiming we are not a strictly pure race, but more a race that has mixed, but that still has ancient blood in our veins, a culture that many have tried to conquer with blood - but our culture has conquered their minds in return and that the Greeks are people joined by ideas and an acknowledgement of our past and present, not a people bound by strict genetics like the nazis' claimed in the 30's.

[Tsontos]

any notion of purity for any people is very flawed indeed. As you said akritas the germans spoke of purity when they have to be one of the most mixed races on the planet due to their location

What is an englishmen? they are a mix of pre-roman indeginous populations who yet the racial identiry 'anglish' comes from the anglo-saxons who were germanic tribes who migrated after roman rule. Then of course England was invaded and never liberated from french rule of william the conqueror. what is the english race?

Hellenization and impurity is all skops can talk about. we have a continuity in language, identity existing for over 4000 years genetically its been proven we still have some continuity with the very first Greeks at the very least. And even in terms of physical characteristics to a large extent.

the skopjians are confused Bulgarians with a completley artificial identity. whats worse they spend their lives trying to prove a ridiculous notion of continuity with a Greek people; the macedonians.

Just like their forebarers the Bulgarians they are peasants who can only dream of a glorious past like that of the macedonians

[akritas]

To speak for the puricity must consern that the population that live in the specific place must be indigenous or autochonous.

Related to this belief (Skopjan propaganda support this idea) that they had always lived in Macedonia was a second, that, as a people, they were literally 'sprung from the earth'. It is generally assumed that both beliefs developed at a very early date, but this is merely an assumption, and in the course of this thread we will see evidence suggesting, to the contrary, that both ideas were relatively late developments.
So I think to speak for puricity as Big Takis saod is a notion of flawed.

[Nikos]

Purity for chemicals and not for people

[Amarantos]

In their desperate and hasty effort to demonstrate themselves descendants of ancient Macedonians and of a glorious past,those morons of fyromians fail to explain where that "proud bla bla bla" people of theirs was,when all different people and nations fought for their liberty in the time the ottoman empire was falling into pieces.I know it's a very vast argument,but to my point of view a very important one,considerating the importance of that particular historical moment.Purity,as these morons define and strangely find only on themselves-that all the time were absent(we know they were present as bulgarians)-could hardly exist in multiethnic empires in many aspects.Though,different people considered themselves bearers of different and specific cultures,nations,traditions and so on,and when the moment came all of them made their moves.
The fyromian policy on many arguments is to reverse all our logical thoughts based on facts, against us.So,we say that they are albanians and bulgarians,they try to show that a similar situation values for the Greeks.

[Istor]

Blood and DNA have no relation to ethnicity. Ethnicity is part of our personality, we build our personality upon education we have from family, environment and school. Thus, if I adopt any SlavoSkopian pupils I will make them proud Macedonian like me.

I do believe that a part of SlavoSkopian populations are indigenous, that is they haven't moved since lets say 800 BC. I refer to Dardanians, Trivallians, Agrianes, Illyrians, Thracians and some Macedonians. But they SlavoSkopians are not Dardanians, trivallians ... or Macedonians ANY more. They have been Slavicized after 6c AD, they are Slavs despite they don't like it.

[Makedonia25]

As the Ancient Greeks used to say - being Greek is more about religion, language and culture more than anything else! :thumbs:

[akritas]

As I see some speak for the ethnicity. Ethnicity today has a lot of meanings that we the Greeks must understand it. An ethnicity of one nation or better ethnic group ( according an Israeli Ben Rafael) is usually defined as a collective entity, the members of which share in common:

1. some primordial attributes such as religion, origin or history, language or "race"
2. particular sociocultural features; and
3. a consciousness of constituting a group different from others belonging to the same setting.

This definition, however, though it insists on specific criteria--primordial attributes, sociocultural particularism, and awareness of kind--includes collectivities that may widely differ from each other:

It refers to groups located in a given territory (such as "national minorities") as well as to others which originate in a foreign land, it comprises groups which by their models of behavior, class and political attributes contrast with the rest of society and others much less noticed; it includes entities aspiring to a recognition of collective rights (such as religious groups) and also those ready to integrate into society without any "preconditions.

All these years the Skopjans raised, lived and live in an world that say we are the Macedonians and all the others wants our bads.The big powers used them as a stock people (as used at the past other nations) in order to handle them but also in order to press other nations that are difficult to guide them.

[Tsontos]

Genetics can be argued as being related to ethnicity to a certain extent. The most important and the only really tangible ingredient of ethnicity however is continuity in identity, language, culture etc.