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"Macedonia" Name dispute enters critical phase
Written by Risto Karajkov (fyromian)
Tuesday, 15 January 2008

As time to the NATO summit in Bucharest closes in the 16-years long dispute between the Republic of Macedonia and Greece over the name Macedonia is entering a critical phase. Both sides increase speed, but without compromise, the crash seems inevitable...

The 16-years long dispute between the Republic of Macedonia and Greece over the name Macedonia is entering a critical phase.

Macedonia is expected to be invited to join NATO, together with two other countries from the Adriatic group, Croatia and Albania, at NATOs Bucharest summit in April of next year. The North Atlantic Alliances expansion with these countries is vital ahead of the critical times coming for Kosovos final status.

However, Macedonias accession in NATO is challenged by Greece, which threatens to use its right to veto if a compromise on the name issue is not found by the time of the Bucharest summit.

The name dispute between the two neighbors has been lingering for the past 16 years , practically ever since Macedonias independence in late 1991, and it has seriously impeded Macedonias international integration. Because of Greek opposition, Macedonia was received in the UN in 1993 under the temporary reference former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. With the renaming of the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia into Serbia and Montenegro, before Montenegro eventually seceded last year, Macedonia remained the last part of the former socialist federation to carry the name Yugoslav.

After 18 months of a Greek embargo, installed in February of 1994, which caused estimated economic losses of USD 2 billion to the new country, Macedonia and Greece signed a treaty in September of 1995, committing to find a mutually agreeable solution to the problem. Negotiations have been underway ever since in the UN, without much sign of progress. In the meantime, 120 of the UN member states (but no EU country) and three permanent members of the UN Security Council (Russia, China, and most recently the US) have recognized Macedonia by its constitutional name. At the time of the US recognition of Macedonias name, in late 2004, which meant majority in the UN Security Council in Macedonias favor, experts declared the dispute de facto over.

From todays point of view things do not look that clear.

For a long time Greece has been implying it could veto Macedonias joining of NATO and the EU, would compromise not be found. Such behavior does not make Greece popular internationally. Most countries do not care about the issue; many feel that Greeces ultimatums towards the much smaller northern neighbor are unjustifiable. However Greece has been demonstrating that there is no length it wont go to have things its way. In the last weeks the Hellenic Republic, which is otherwise a traditional friend of Serbia, even changed its view on Kosovos possible independence in exchange for EUs understanding in its dispute with Macedonia. It simply silenced its view that Kosovo independence cannot be imposed on Serbia.

As time to the NATO summit closes in, Greece is making it clear to everyone it wont let Macedonia in unless the name issue solved. This runs counter to NATO interests, as the Alliance wants the countries from the Adriatic group in, and it also directly spites the US . The US wants Macedonia inside NATO and is its strongest supporter in the process. Fragile Macedonia inside the Alliance would mean an additional buffer of safety when the time comes to deal with the boiling Kosovar potato. Kosovoe has been procrastinated long enough, and it is by now very clear that any additional delay is risk to regional security. Therefore, by all accounts the first half of 2008 will be marked by Kosovo.

And while the US applies pressure to secure an invitation for Macedonia at the summit, by saying that the name issue is a bilateral one and it cannot possibly be a condition for entry, Greece has been running an intensive diplomatic offensive, trying to secure allies for the forthcoming period.

So far the success of this has been mixed. Its request for a clause stipulating the need of closing open issues with neighbors as a condition for entry, was denied at a NATO ministerial conference early December. Reportedly, Germany stood against it saying that the additional vocabulary did not conform to the Alliances approach to the members of the Adriatic group.

However, Greece managed to have the issue referenced in the conclusions of the ministerial meeting of the European Council last week. The Councils conclusions note that there is still no solution to the name issue and they call upon Macedonia for renewed efforts and constructive approach. The issue was also mentioned in the Commissions annual report on Macedonia, although it did not make it to last weekends EU Summit.

As much as Greece looses points internationally with its insistence on the issue, pressure has also been mounting on Macedonia by all sides to find a solution. By foes and allies alike. US Under Secretary of State Nicolas Burns told Macedonia Foreign Minister Antonio Milosovski earlier this month that the prime minister and the Macedonian government need to show greater sensitivity to Greek public opinion and government. Especially, given some recent unnecessarily provocative actions by the Macedonian side, meaning the renaming of the Skopje airport into Alexandar the Great, and similar. European officials and analysts also called that move an unnecessary provocation. It also gave Greece the opportunity to yell fault and argue that Macedonia does not respect the 1995 agreement which calls on the parties to refrain from provocative moves.

Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski admitted last week that he is under tremendous strain to compromise over the name.

I have repeatedly been told, in quite open manner, that we are expected to find a compromise with Greece, and have even been suggested names: New Macedonia, Republic of Macedonia Skopje, Upper Macedonia, Northern Macedonia. It has always happened in private meetings, although with highest level foreign officials, said prime minister Gruevski.

The latest bid took place at last weeks meeting of peoples parties in Brussels. As reported by Macedonian press, at a mention of the issue by the chairman Wilfred Martens, former first minister of Belgium, Greek Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis took the floor and during his intervention offered Mr. Gruevski the name New Macedonia. In Greeces view, this is a huge concession, as it actually agrees on having the word Macedonia in the name of the country. In the past, Greece vehemently rejected even the thought of that. Mr. Gruevski, reportedly, declined. He said to domestic press that the episode was of marginal importance and that there was nothing more than a mention of the dispute. Nothing special, he said. The event was confirmed to Macedonian reporters also by Ivo Sanader, former prime minister (and currently a candidate prime minister) of Croatia.

It would be a shame if Macedonia missed this chance to enter NATO, because of the name issue , said Mr. Sanader.

For the time being, both sides increase speed, but without any repprochement in their positions. The crash seems inevitable.

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New Macedonia??????????

There must be no Macedonia in the name........................
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Greek Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis took the floor and during his intervention offered Mr. Gruevski the name New Macedonia. In Greeces view, this is a huge concession, as it actually agrees on having the word Macedonia in the name of the country. In the past, Greece vehemently rejected even the thought of that. Mr. Gruevski, reportedly, declined. He said to domestic press that the episode was of marginal importance and that there was nothing more than a mention of the dispute. Nothing special, he said.
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Greek politicians have lost it and Skopians are @#.There should be no Macedonia in the name.
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The Greek politicians want to send Greece to hell...
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Novamakedonija is the name lads.......take it to the bank.
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If the name of the country has the word Macedonia then Greece must have word for FYROMian education. We must cut any link of SlavoSkopians to ancient Macedonians in their minds. They must recognize that Macedonians have been Greeks.
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of course that will as they will be potrayed as New makedonijans with their slavic heritage.
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We need the term "slav-".. without this term there will ALWAYS be a link to ancient Macedonians.

I think the best solution would be "Republic of Slavomacedonia"
They can have the name "Macedonia" but with the term "slav-" they can't link their history with our..

So they would be happy that they have "Macedonia" and we would be happy because there is no connection to our history...

And I think for the Skopjans that the term "slav-" is something that they have to admit.. They can't deny everything of their heritage!!!
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Yugoslavomakedonski
Republic of Slavadonski
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I think it'll be "Republic of Macedonia" unless we get a sudden change in luck in which case it'll be something like "Republic of New Macedonia" or "Republic of Upper Macedonia". Our government is doing all it reasonably can however I think that may not be enough. The veto threat is not as final as some people here may think it is. Our government is gambling, they're hoping that FYROM will change its name before veto time, or will change its name shortly after. If FYROM refuses to change their name and as a result cannot join NATO, sooner or later (five years perhaps) the USA will start treating Greece (or rather Greek businesses, particularly Greek shipowners, operating in the USA) unfavorably. We are in no position to play hardball. If we had EU support in the matter, things may have been different. The Greek government is therefore seeking a face saving compromise, they may even have to settle for the double name formula.
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