Civil War ?

[Nikos]

Nice day today isn't it?

Anyway apologise to everyone in this forum for providing inaccurate information and extracting wrong conclusions.

[akritas]

Originally Posted by Nikos

Nice day today isn't it?

Anyway apologise to everyone in this forum for providing inaccurate information and extracting wrong conclusions.

Nikolaki what is your oponion for the thread?
Are the allied communists (Albanian, Yugoslav, Albania) helped the ELAS and the Democratic army in order to split the Greece ?


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And us usually the "Greek" Nikos departured without answer!!

[Nikos]

No it is not true.

Split Greece? was there such plan?

At the beginning of the second phase of the civil war the Albanian and Yugoslavian communists were indeed supplying the Democratic Army in their struggle against the monarchists in order to gain the control of the country and establish government.
And as you very well know Tito after seperating his position with Stalin stopped supporting the Greek rebellion and the democratic army collapsed little later.

The leader of the Communist party of Greece was clearly following Stalin's instructions.
Stalin had signed with Churchill and Russvelt the Yalta agreement, according to which Greece would go under the English-American influence.
That's why the Greek partizans under the instructions of Zachariadis (Stalin) signed the Varkiza agreement in 1945 and the monarchists acquired the control of strategic points of Greece.

The only country that was split after WWII was Germany.
All the rest are cheap conspiracy theories.

Why don't you refer to the contribution of the Democratic Army during the German occupation?
The resistance of ELAS against the Germans doesn't make you a proud Greek?

And delete the stupidity that you wrote under your last comment.

[akritas]

Originally Posted by Nikos

No it is not true.

Split Greece? was there such plan?

At the beginning of the second phase of the civil war the Albanian and Yugoslavian communists were indeed supplying the Democratic Army in their struggle against the monarchists, but as you very well know Tito after seperating his position with Stalin stopped supporting the Greek rebellion and the democratic army collapsed little later.

The leader of the Communist party of Greece was clearly following Stalin's instructions.
Stalin had signed with Churchill and Russvelt the Yalta agreement, according to which Greece would go under the English-American influence.
That's why the Greek partizans under the instructions of Zachariadis (Stalin) signed the Varkiza agreement in 1945 and the monarchists acquired the control of strategic points of Greece.

The only country that was split after WWII was Germany.
All the rest are cheap conspiracy theories.

Why don't you refer to the contribution of the Democratic Army during the German occupation?
The resistance of ELAS against the Germans doesn't make you a proud Greek?

You are here!!! And I am not delete anything
Now
Read what one from the FYROMian hero said :

Makedonska Iskra was published just after the start of the Greek Civil War and the simultaneous Macedonian War of Independence in Aegean Macedonia. How strong was the Macedonian desire for freedom?

The Macedonian desire for freedom was terrific, not only in one part of Macedonia but the total part of Macedonia - because as you know Macedonia was divided into four parts under Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs and part of it under Albania - so we were thrilled that we thought that this war could be won, with the communists and the other groups that were fighting in the civil war, and we were promised complete freedom. But unfortunately, in my opinion, I believe that some of the communists in Greece, in Bulgaria and even the Serbs were not honest enough and did not carry out the promises that they promised the Macedonian people.


How did the Macedonians in Greece divide in terms of those who fought for an independent Macedonia, those who fought for communism, and those who did not fight?

I would say that the majority of the Macedonians, in Aegean Macedonia especially, all believed and fought for an independent Macedonia. I would say that at least 80-90 per cent of the people thought that way and believed that way and fought for this particular reason.

http://www.pollitecon.com/html/life/Mick_Interview.html

In which army Nikola ?

[Nikos]

Yes ok this guy says that some Macedonians (he says all but who cares?) were fighting for independence. Perhaps it is true. But he clearly adds:

"But unfortunately, in my opinion, I believe that some of the communists in Greece, in Bulgaria and even the Serbs were not honest enough and did not carry out the promises that they promised the Macedonian people."

Anyway I don't give a shit for what some Macedonian nationalists from Australia say. They have no right to speak for the Greek history.

Akrita be very careful when trying to connect the Greek civil war with the nationalistic orientations of the ethnic Macedonians then, because this is an attempt of the Macedonian nationalistic circles.
They are trying to prove that they did an uprise and rebellion for independence and the "bad Greeks" finally opressed it.
THIS IS NOT TRUE, and this was the "xira trofi" (dried food) that they were served in Tito's Underground.

The saga that the second phase of the Greek civil war was practically an ethnic war between Greeks and Macedonians is distributed by propagandists of the other side, and unforunately they find allies some "blacks" in Greece that from kektimeni tahytita strive to adopt it.

The civil war of Greece was clearly a war among Greeks for what the orientation of the country would be.
All the rest is BULLSHIT!!

[Istor]

No, it is true that civil war in Macedonia, wasn't that "civil". It was a clear attempt to make the plan accomplished: an exit to the sea for Slavic nations. The simple people and SlavoSkopian didn't know it maybe but Tito and Stalin knew very well what they fought for.

[Tsontos]

Originally Posted by Nikos

No it is not true.

Split Greece? was there such plan?


The only country that was split after WWII was Germany.
All the rest are cheap conspiracy theories.

The fact that sections of the Greek communist party had conspired with Stalin to 'donate' Macedonia to the newly formed socialist republic of Macedonia is a fact which Greek communists are aware of.

stop embaressing yourself you half-wit

[Nikos]

Donate Macedonia to Yugoslavia!! HAHAHAHAHA

Where did you see it? Conspired with Stalin and Tito?
This is hilarious. And Taki STOP ADDRESSING TO ME PERSONALLY!!

Istor, this is the Greek history that you teach children at school?

[akritas]

You are amazing Nikola !!!!
Greeks(including and Communists) ,Skopjians, Neutral all these persons agreed that at least the half of the Democratic army composed of Slavs and you insist that everybody are wrong and only you are correct

Your denial and your ignorance in the Greek history as unbelievable and of course weird

[Nikos]

Half of the Democratic Army where Akrita? and when?
Only in the western Macedonia and at the ending phase.

In the mountains of Thessaly were half of them Slavophones?
In the mountains of Peloponese?
In makronissos where half of them Slavs?

And don't confuse the term Slavophones with Slavs or ethnic Macedonians.

Akrita discuss a little bit the case with some elderly.