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Old 09-14-2007, 05:06 PM
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After the Balkan Wars (1912-1913), the First World War (1914-1918) and especially after the Peace Treaties of Lausanne (1923), which gave the Macedonian issue a central place, there began a great ethnic cleansing of Macedonians, who in 1912 had numbered 374,000, from the Aegean part of Macedonia.

Disregarding the principle of respect for minority rights within existing states, the negotiations in Lausanne accepted the principle of an obligatory resettlement of Christians from Turkey (Greeks, Turkophones, etc.) and of Moslems from Greece (Turks, Macedonian Moslems, etc.). Under the convention for obligatory emigration, 350,000 Moslems were expelled from the Aegean part of Macedonia. 40,000 of these were Macedonian Moslems.

In place of the Macedonians expelled to Bulgaria and Turkey (a total of 126,000) the Greek state resettled 618,000 persons of Greek and non-Greek origin in the Aegean part of Macedonia. This heterogeneous population, colonized in the Aegean part of Macedonia in the period between the two world wars, came from other parts of Greece, as well as from Asia Minor, the Black Sea region, the Caucasus, western Thrace, Bulgaria and other places.

The large majority of the refugee Christian population was settled in villages throughout the Aegean part of Macedonia, thus creating what has become known as the village, or agricultural, colonization; and a smaller number were colonized in towns, creating the so-called urban colonization.

This large colonization effected by Greece resulted in a major change in the historical status of the Macedonian language. Once the language used by most, it was now afforded only the status of the language of a minority, or the status of a family language, which was spoken by 240,000 Macedonians.

The large ethnic changes were the cause of changes in the status of the Greek language as well. From being the language of a minority, it now became the most used language, being imposed even on the Armenians, the "Turkophones", the in-comers from among the various Caucasian peoples, etc. With the imposition of the Greek language and with the help of mixed marriages, a new Greek nation was being created in the Aegean part of Macedonia.

The colonization by this population, whom the Macedonians called madziri (in-comers, foreigners), resulted in the Aegean part of Macedonia losing its Macedonian ethnic character. The Macedonians (240,000) became a minority; they were present as a majority only in the western part of the Aegean part of Macedonia (Kostur, Lerin and Voden regions).

The large colonization brought about by the Greeks was followed by a law passed by the Greek government in 1926 on the change of the toponymy of the Aegean part of Macedonia. All villages, towns, rivers and mountains were renamed and given Greek names.

The Greek state achieved this through a policy of state terror. As early as the period of the Balkan War of 1913 Greece had begun the ethnic genocide of the Macedonian people. The cruelty displayed by the Greek soldiers in their dealings towards the Macedonian people was merciless.

Following the political partition of Macedonia in 1913, Greece launched upon an active policy of the denial of the nationality and the assimilation of the Macedonians. The name Macedonian and the Macedonian language were prohibited and the Macedonians were referred to as Bulgarians, Slavophone Greeks or simply "endopes" (natives). At the same time, all the Macedonians were forced to change their names and surnames, the latter having to end in -is, -os or -poulos.

With the denial of the Macedonian nation went the non-recognition of the Macedonian language. It was prohibited, its standing was minimized and it was considered a barbarian language, unworthy of a cultured and civilized citizen. Its use in personal communication, between parents and children, among villagers, at weddings and funerals, was strictly forbidden. Defiance of this ban produced Draconian measures, ranging from moral and mental maltreatment to a "language tax" on each Macedonian word that was uttered. The written use of Macedonian was also strictly prohibited, and Macedonian literacy was being eliminated from the churches, monuments and tombstones. All the churches were given Greek names.

The attacks on the Macedonian language culminated at the time of Ioannis Metaxas (1936). General Metaxas banned the use of Macedonian not only in everyday life in the villages, in the market-place, in ordinary and natural human communications and at funerals, but also within the family circle. Adult Macedonians, regardless of their age, were forced to attend what were known as evening schools and to learn "the melodious Greek language". The violation of the ban on the use of the Macedonian language in the villages, market-places or the closed circle of the family caused great numbers of Macedonians to be convicted and deported to desolate Greek islands.

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Change of Toponyms and Names
In its attempts to eradicate the Macedonian name,


"Greece followed a policy of assimilating the Macedonian minority and Hellenizing the Macedonian region in northern Greece. The government changed place names and personal names from Macedonian to Greek, (Decree No. 332 of 1926) ordered religious services to be performed in Greek, and altered religious icons."

A few examples of changed village names:
Macedonian Name - New Greek Name

Armensko - Alonas
Banica - Vevi
Bouf - Akrita
Gabresh - Gavros
Kostur - Kastoria
Kukush - Kilkis
Lerin - Florina
Negochani - Niki
Oshchima - Trigonon
Solun - Thessaloniki
Voden - Edessa
Zhelevo - Antartikon


If Macedonia was always Greek, why would the Greek government have to change the Macedonian names of people, towns, and villages to Greek?
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:38 PM
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Gjoko, just a minute:

Gjoko says:

Macedonian Name - New Greek Name


Armensko - Alonas
Banica - Vevi
Bouf - Akrita
Gabresh - Gavros
Kostur - Kastoria
Kukush - Kilkis
Lerin - Florina
Negochani - Niki
Oshchima - Trigonon
Solun - Thessaloniki
Voden - Edessa
Zhelevo - Antartikon


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Bulgaroslavic Name -Greek Macedonian name


Armensko - Alonas
Banica - Vevi
Bouf - Akrita
Gabresh - Gavros
Kostur - Kastoria
Kukush - Kilkis
Lerin - Florina
Negochani - Niki
Oshchima - Trigonon
Solun - Thessaloniki
Voden - Edessa
Zhelevo - Antartikon


Which variant of these list, together with the description on the top of the list reflects the historical truth?Can you tell me, Gjokomk?
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:55 PM
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In place of the Macedonians expelled to Bulgaria and Turkey (a total of 126,000) ............
Even you just make a copy paste from known FYROM www I like to answer me in one question.
Do you have ONE-JUST ONE and neutral source that mention and confirm the 126.000 "macedonians" ?
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After 1870, there was a struggle between Greeks and Slavs about Macedonia. Slavs attemtped, since then, many times to slavicize Macedonia and Macedonians. They have always failed and after each attempt and defeat they massively left Macedonia. Now there are very few Slavs (SlavoSkopians) in Macedonia, Greece.
"Atrocities" Greeks against Slavs of Macedonia are caress in comparation of atrocites of Slavs against Macedonians (Greeks).

Macedonia wans't always Greek (authorized by Greeks) but Macedonians have always been Greeks. Because Macedonian is whoever is proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World.

After Macedonia's liberation, Greece restored all known ancient Macedonian toponyms in Macedonia: Thessaloniki, Argos, Aiani, Florina, Kastoria, Evropos, Verroia, Naoussa, Axios, Aliakmon, Vermion, Pella, Aigai, .....Greece has also replaced Slavic and Turkish toponyms with Greek ones, because this is what Macedonians have always done ( Vedy > Edessa)
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Change of Toponyms and Names
In its attempts to eradicate the Macedonian name,


"Greece followed a policy of assimilating the Macedonian minority and Hellenizing the Macedonian region in northern Greece. The government changed place names and personal names from Macedonian to Greek, (Decree No. 332 of 1926) ......."

A few examples of changed village names:
Skopjian Name - Greek Name



If Macedonia was always Greek, why would the Greek government have to change the Macedonian names of people, towns, and villages to Greek?


A few examples of changed village names:
Skopjian Name - Greek Name

Postol - Pella




MACEDONIAN NAMES = GREEK NAMES.

Oh yes, go and visit the museum of Pella (ΠΕΛΛΑ) to see the ancient inscription of the photo
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Gjokomk, assuming your allegations are true, don't you realize that the Greek "crimes" are irreversible. It's impossible to turn the clock back to 1912, get over it. What do you want?
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Is this guy another troller???He will only post and run....Never to answer any questions....
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Wheres Istor when you need him?

Solun or Thessaloniki?
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Is this guy another troller???He will only post and run....Never to answer any questions....
Yes.. It seems to be the common thing these guys do.. Post something, then run away to make sure they dont get caught - cause if they do, they KNOW the dont have answers for anything!
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just like their forefathers before them run and hide under some rock while they where tending their flock of sheep and goats.
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