Greece is without allies in the name issue

[Vasiliye]

Perhaps the way I entitled this message is "in your face" way to say something, but alas this is the truth.Greek sensibility about the name is simply rarely understood among liberals, socialists, social-democrats and other leftists in the EU.Even in America, with its prominent lobby representing 2.000.000 people, the Greek community failed badly to make friends in the issue.For a WASPish American mind, it is an irrational Balkan intrigue which boils emotions and nothing else.Finally "America" is not an exclusive name as it also designates "South/Latin America" and the whole of Northern Part, including Canada.

Speaking of our Balkan neighbors.What they can do?Albania, Serbia and Bulgaria recognized the country as "Republika Makedonija", although among many rightists in these states, among many journalists FYROM is the preferred name.

But that's all too weak.There are no movements in Serbia nor in Bulgaria whose aim would be the elimination of the Pseudomacedonism.Most of organizations in Bulgaria have an idea of Paramacedonian South-Western Bulgaria.They do not reject the "macedonian" name, but simple use it together with the Bulgarian, thus lying grounds for a Bulgaro-Macedonian exclusivity in Geographic Macedonia. VMRO in Bulgaria has such program [ ÂÌÃ�ÃŽ - Ã�úëãÃ*ðñêî Ã*Ã*öèîÃ*Ã*ëÃ*î äâèæåÃ*èå ].

Serbian influence on internal matters of FYROM is very weak and more so after the formation of VMRO-DPMNE Goverment in Skopje, which is derived from a traditionally anti-Serbian political party and which nurtures a kind of underground Pan-Bulgarism (without pretensions towards the Greek territory)

Greece, in my opinion based on a premise that Greeks need allies should do several things which would enable an internal and necessary evolution:

1)Take care about Greeks in FYROM and help them build a more elevated presence in the society via sponsoring prospective students, helping Greek NGO, establish cultural-folkloristic societies, disseminate Greek books, multimedia and press.

2.)Find friends in the scholarly field of Slavic studies in Eastern Europe and the West by pointing out to the artificiality of the language and culture of Pseudomacedonists, which was created after 1944

3.)Should encourage creation of mixed international institutes for the study of the Macedonian Question.Should include scholars from abroad into the work of the existing ones.

4.)Should offer help to all elements within FYROM who are able to influence academic and part of the public opinion and which stand on revisionist ground: Serbian and Bulgarian journalists, historians, linguists.

5)Should distance itself from the Pro-Pseudomacedonian Communist party of FYROM (SDSM) and support the government of those parties which are pro-Bulgarian, but without pretensions toward Makedonia.

These measures together with a lavish, yet focused and concise PR propaganda on European level would bring Greece back into the game and would cause regaining of advantage which is currently in Skopian hands.

[akritas]

Vasiliye you open a big issue regarding the Greek policy in Macedonia conflict and you make a very good value points on it.!!!

The Greek mistakes in this phase of the Macedonia issue are similar with the mistakes that Greek politicians done in the end of 19th cent.

[terastios]

...we don't need any allies!

[Vasiliye]

Let's call them pawns or better, in Lenin's word "useful idiots".Somebody has to work on the ground, among them if we want a subverted Pseudomacedonism........

[terastios]

Βασίλη,i was short and i didn't make my self understandble(?)!
We don't need any allies cause they (Skopians) will need us as allies to survive!
You think that any Greek will agree in any of those bs they say and ask?
You really think that E.U. will prefer to support them than a full member-state as Greece?
Do you believe that Americans will support them instead of a full NATO member with NATO Bases in it's territory?
Do you even believe that 2 other (at least) members of E.U (Cyprus and Boulgaria-for their own reasons) will support Fyrombs?(bs=bullshit)
Do you believe that Turkey will support them or the only European country that support their effert to be E.U. members?
Think about it...

[Reaper]

Greeks lost this battle long ago and it is a slow death. For me Greeks in politics are too greedy and too stupid.

Too greedy because Greece continues to support the nation with investment ect
Too stupid because Greece stands alone on the issue and does not ask for favours, examples? Pipeline with Bulgaria, why not only agree to sign if we get a little help with Fyrom? Americans in Souda? Why not let them know they will have no longer exclusive access to the base unless they help with Fyrom? Also why not help give a voice to the Albanians in Fyrom or shit stir the way FYROM manages to do in Greece so effortlessly with that wafer thin rainbow party.

We have lost and it is a long slow death. Greeks are to blame from begining to end for this horrific mess. Stupidity and Greed means are ancestors that traced half way across the globe - that glory now belongs to Fyrom in the eyes of anyone who can afford or view a map.

[terastios]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Greeks lost this battle long ago and it is a slow death. For me Greeks in politics are too greedy and too stupid.

Too greedy because Greece continues to support the nation with investment ect
Too stupid because Greece stands alone on the issue and does not ask for favours, examples? Pipeline with Bulgaria, why not only agree to sign if we get a little help with Fyrom? Americans in Souda? Why not let them know they will have no longer exclusive access to the base unless they help with Fyrom? Also why not help give a voice to the Albanians in Fyrom or shit stir the way FYROM manages to do in Greece so effortlessly with that wafer thin rainbow party.

We have lost and it is a long slow death. Greeks are to blame from begining to end for this horrific mess. Stupidity and Greed means are ancestors that traced half way across the globe - that glory now belongs to Fyrom in the eyes of anyone who can afford or view a map.

BS! You know nothing about Greek politics!
Which country is in EU?
Which country hosted the Olympiad?
Which country put Cyprus in EU?
CTR CTR CTR (I dont have the time now...but i'll tell you more sometime! )

[Reaper]

How old are you? ^^ And how can I learn off you as you have clearly showed although the Greek Govt has been stupid, it is no where close to how idiotic and juvenile you just showed yourself with your bizarre outburst/ If there was one greek member of parliment with even 50% of your intelligence and arrogance in the stupid and mentally slow method you utilised argue with, I am quite sure Fyrom would be internationally recognised as Hellas by now.

[Drama]

@ Reaper: How should the greek government stop the private investments in FYROM? Are you serious? That's an important market.

[Reaper]

You cannot easily stop private investment, but you can replace the embargo we lifted. There is a list of measures Greece can use and hasn't. Just look at the current situation:

The November 2006 European Commission report states that, "In December 2005 the two countries opened an Office for Consular, Economic and Trade Relations in Bitola and a Consulate in Thessaloniki respectively. Cooperation has developed in many areas, including transport, health, security, culture and customs.