Foreign newspapers of 19th/20th c. about Macedonia

[Jordan Piperkata]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

What do you define as Jewish??Why don't you give us an example sir?

You avoide my question, lets start with you answering mine first.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Jordan Piperkata

So you take the words of a most likely Serbian auhtor as verbatim?

Who inhabited Grevena in tjose days Victor?

Mos t likely?You dont even know???That book is well-known,often referenced,and published by a mainstream publisher.It wasnt published in someones basement by someone with a CLEAR vested interest in the issue who changes there "pen" name to,for example,Gandeto.
No slavomacs or there descendants who identify today as fyromanians lived in Grevena in those days(or Serres,or DRama,or Katerini,or Kozani,or Kavalla,or Salonika,or.............).
THe words of the author are accepted by all of us and more importantly by all objective historians so again,the burden of proof is CLEARLY on you to prove that "Macedonian" back then meant a specific ethnicity.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Jordan Piperkata

But Sir, they are not seperated in any form, so how do you know this for a fact? So Greeks and Bulgarians are a nationallity and Macedonians are a provincial designation, correct?

I may add that there was not any form of province in Turkey in Europe called Macedonia, you are aware of this? The administrative entities were rather called Vilayets, the Vilayets of Kosova, Manastir and Selanik.

So please explanie what Macedonians means in this context.

in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region;the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality seperate from the Bulgarians,Greeks,SErbs,or ALbanians.THe diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a seperate Macedonian nation.

UNless Yugoslav communism taught you otherwise of course.

[Jordan Piperkata]

Originally Posted by Victor

Mos t likely?You dont even know???That book is well-known,often referenced,and published by a mainstream publisher.It wasnt published in someones basement by someone with a CLEAR vested interest in the issue who changes there "pen" name to,for example,Gandeto.
No slavomacs or there descendants who identify today as fyromanians lived in Grevena in those days(or Serres,or DRama,or Katerini,or Kozani,or Kavalla,or Salonika,or.............).
THe words of the author are accepted by all of us and more importantly by all objective historians so again,the burden of proof is CLEARLY on you to prove that "Macedonian" back then meant a specific ethnicity.

Sir, I did not ask you who did not live there but rather the ones that did, so who where they that lived in Grevena in those days?

[Jordan Piperkata]

Originally Posted by Victor

UNless Yugoslav communism taught you otherwise of course.

But Sir, there was no geographical region called Macedonia according to the Ottoman administartion. If I am wrong please prove me wrong and show me some credible evidence of such.

So I ask you again, what does Macedonians mean in the context of "Macedonians and Bulgarians" and "Greeks, Macedonians and Bulgarians"

[Victor]

Greeks and Turks mainly.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Jordan Piperkata

But Sir, there was no geographical region called Macedonia according to the Ottoman administartion. If I am wrong please prove me wrong and show me some credible evidence of such.

So I ask you again, what does Macedonians mean in the context of "Macedonians and Bulgarians" and "Greeks, Macedonians and Bulgarians"

in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region;the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality seperate from the Bulgarians,Greeks,SErbs,or ALbanians.THe diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a seperate Macedonian nation.

AGain,the burden of proof is CLEARLY on you to prove that "Macedonian" meant ethnicity instead of the other races of Macedonia(Serbs,Vlachs,Turks,ALbanians,Jews,Armeni ans),which is how any SANE person who is historically honest would read those items.
Just as a SANE and historically honest person would agree that your first 3 or 4 articles use "Macedonian" to mean Greeks in Macedonia.

[slavicwolf]

by the term macedonians is meant all the ethnic groups that live in macedonia, take a look at one of the articles that i posted which explains the character of the slavs in macedonia by a foreign newspaper.

[Truth Bearer]

Yes but once the region became such an issue the brand name "macedonia" was on the map.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Jordan Piperkata

But Sir, there was no geographical region called Macedonia according to the Ottoman administartion.

Completely agree!.THerefore logically you must completely agree that the crying and complaining by you people about a "partitioning of Macedonia" is a fyromanian nationalist myth.