Foreign newspapers of 19th/20th c. about Macedonia

[Jordan Piperkata]

Originally Posted by Amyntas

Jordan if so many articles really exist why dont you post them here ?

I will Sir, as of right now I do not have the time to do it, but the will be posted in due time.

[Amyntas]

I cant wait for that day to come because thats usually what i hear from your people when i ask them about ancient history "i cant tell you right now, i ll do that when i have the time" but then they keep on posting like there is no tomorrow (i wonder how they have time for that but not the time to answer one simple question).

But we ll see if you are the one i was waiting for who will finally stop the excuses

[slavicwolf]

ive got many articles and photographs of orginal documents which are written i slavic so you wouldnt understand them anyway. but yes i would like to see articles that say the macedonian nation as a separate people. i doubt you will find an original though.

[Jordan Piperkata]

Originally Posted by Amyntas

I cant wait for that day to come because thats usually what i hear from your people when i ask them about ancient history "i cant tell you right now, i ll do that when i have the time" but then they keep on posting like there is no tomorrow (i wonder how they have time for that but not the time to answer one simple question).

But we ll see if you are the one i was waiting for who will finally stop the excuses

Here are some of the articles I spoke of, these are from the New York Times. There are many more in the international press of the time, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Truth Bearer]

You still don't get it do you you poor sad little man who dreams and believes in a cause that was never there in the first place.How tragic are you Piperkata??You & yr people must really lead a miserable life and it saddens me when I see people like you clinging,hoping,praying for an ethnicity that NEVER was mate.
Macedonia was a province of the Ottoamn Empire so how do you think they had to refer them as??In a another life I would really be feeling sorry for you becasue you don't lie you just get misled and maipulated by all that propaganda yr puppeteers play on simple people like you Piperkata.

[Victor]

History Of The BAlkans
BArbara Jelavich
page 91

in the nineteenth century the term Macedonian was used almost exclusively to refer to the geographic region;the Macedonians were usually not considered a nationality seperate from the Bulgarians,Greeks,SErbs,or ALbanians.THe diplomatic records of the period make no clear mention of a seperate Macedonian nation.

THis is what every SANE person believes so the burden of proof is CLEARLY on the fyromanians to CLEARLY PROVE that any of these articles CLEARLY and SPECIFICALLY define Macedonian as a seperate ethnicity.
BY the way,only an idiot couldnt see that Macedonian meant Greek in pepperheads first 2 articles..THird one too since Greece and TUrkey were at war in 1897 and there are no fyromanians from Grevena.Very likely the fourth one as well.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Jordan, can I ask you a question?

In the first two articles, there is a mention of Greece supporting the insurrection in Macedonia / The Macedonians.

What makes you believe that Greece supported VMRO/IMRO? Do you have historical records of that? As far as I can remember, you go as far as to accuse us of assisting the Turks against you, but never of assisting you against anybody.

So, what sort of assistance did Greece provide to Macedonia / the Macedonians?

The only way that the text makes sense, is by defining those Macedonians as Greeks...

...Right or wrong?

[slavicwolf]

i hope it works, this is the original document where mr kolishev.ski. pleaded for his life saying that he is nothing but a bulgarian with bulgarian ancestors.

[slavicwolf]

actualy here is the link so you can see for yourself as that didnt work.
http://www.esnips.com/doc/efa44f97-9...e2358/kolishev

here is another letter of our ex-president kiro gligorov who declared himself bulgarian
http://www.esnips.com/doc/f6002cdd-2...ин
vojvoda Tane Nikolov
http://www.esnips.com/doc/5d9e9f3d-1...7/tane_nikolov
memorandum of the second macedono-odrin revolutionary
http://www.esnips.com/doc/a4350a76-a.../memorandum0oq
komiti captured by turks
http://www.esnips.com/doc/32707dee-d...Ottoman_Police
written by yavrov where he's writing about the macedonian bulgars who gave their lives for free macedonia.
http://www.esnips.com/doc/ea36cfa3-4...3aa9c1/Yavorov
VMRO oath from 1920 where clearly it says macedonian bulgars
http://www.esnips.com/doc/f2c59db2-4...akedonski_1920
paper where 2 bulgarian clubs makedonija and levski are playing football in skopje read it
http://www.esnips.com/doc/309641a4-f...299e/levski004
daily independant 1903 USA
http://www.esnips.com/doc/f5560336-4...ly-Independent
palo alto newspaper 1903
http://www.esnips.com/doc/38438ab5-f...-Alto-Reporter
bismarck daily 1903
http://www.esnips.com/doc/8f7459f8-d.../Bismarck-1903
daily herald 1903
http://www.esnips.com/doc/dbedc14f-f...ld-19-nov-1903
delphos daily 1903
http://www.esnips.com/doc/1a25fa1d-8...ily-Herald1903

[slavicwolf]

and a few more

democratic standart, very brave lady
http://www.esnips.com/doc/b9b31330-e...ratic-standart
fort Wayne paper 1903
http://www.esnips.com/doc/5412fe53-5...ort-Wayne-1903
Fort Wayne Journal about Boris Sarafov
http://www.esnips.com/doc/c5b02644-5...903-B.-Sarafov
the Piqua Daily Call 1903
http://www.esnips.com/doc/0dd90221-2...qua-Daily-Call
the ogden standard read down from "NO MORE KIDNAPPING"
http://www.esnips.com/doc/3e9106fd-c...Ogden-Standard
ill post some others if you guys like they are all original copies from usa archives.