Foreign newspapers of 19th/20th c. about Macedonia

[BzNzSBoomN]

If this has already been posted before i apologize!

http://www.teresacarpenter.com/miss_stone_excerpt.html
'The Bulgarians, meanwhile, had received a copy of the President's cable, and they were incensed. Where did the United States find the audacity to blame Bulgaria? The kidnapping had occurred indisputably in Turkish territory. Even if Bulgarians were involved, they were acting as individuals, not on behalf of their government.'

Also, i cant get the full article of this , if someone can help me out it would be much appreciated
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...669D946097D6CF
'KIDNAPPERS NAME PLACE FOR DEPOSIT; Miss Stone's Ransom Must Be Paid in Bulgaria. Bulgarian Government, on the Other Hand, Says Brigands Have Never Left Turkish Soil.'
BERLIN, Oct. 12 -- According to reports received here from Sofia, the capters of Miss Stone demand that the ransom shall be deposited at Samokoff, Bulgaria.

Jordan , Wasnt Sandanski involved in this kidnapping??

[GREECE1821]

Re ti malakies lene oi skopoianoi oti taxa einai makedones re ksipnistes reeeeeeeeeeeeeee SLAVOI eiste oxi ELLOINES dld malakes,xamenoi,analfavoiti.OUSTTTTTTTTT vromiarides

[Makedonia323]

Simon Trpceski conquers great works in President's Piano recital

By Melinda Bargreen mbargreen@seattletimes.com

Seattle Times music critic

Concert Review |

The best thing to come out of Macedonia since Alexander the Great is the 28-year-old pianist Simon Trpceski, who returned to Seattle for Tuesday's President's Piano Series — and, like his long-ago predecessor, did some conquering .................................................. .

Link

Maybe someone of you can writes Mrs. Bargreen an E-Mail about Alexander the Great and the difference about F.Y.R.O.M and Macedonia.
( My English is not so good ...)

Cause the americans dont know about ancient greek history is not a reason to
publish wrong facts and propaganda !
Regards,

Makedonia 323

[kostas68]

This post was appropriate for another thread,but since it was closed,i think it belongs to this thread.

Originally Posted by princo

Guys ....
Take a look at this world newspaper articles:
w*w.esnips.com/web/macedonia

Yes,i cheked out all these american newspapers from 1908,1915 and 1946 and i can conclude this:either you didn't read them carefully or you actually can't understand what you are reading.Otherwise,you would never provide a newspaper which contradicts your propaganda.That's exactly what you have done,and you will understand it right below.
At first,this is the URL where everybody can see those newspapers:
http://www.esnips.com/web/macedonia


Let's see the first article:It's from the New York Times,11 October 1908.The title is <The changes in Europe's map and their meaning> and it's based on the views of the professor of the Columbia University W.M.Sloane,who is described as an<authority on balkan matters>.

http://www.esnips.com/doc/893710e9-2cc0-422a-800f-...

He mentions five times the word <Macedonia>.When he says <that Turkish
strip which we generally call Macedonia>,second time<the Treaty of San Stefano recognized the fact that Eastern Roumelia and a considerable portion of Macedonia were really Bulgarian>.Third time<The case-of Roumania was somewhat different, yet her inhabitants professed a profound concern for the large Roumanian population of Transylvania and for the scattered people of their own stock found in Macedonia, and even in Greece, under the general name of Vlachs.>,fourth time<"Finally, the events in" Crete further weakened at least the letter of the treaty, and the agitations In Macedonia,due at first to Turkish Inefficiency,but latterly carried on by Servia,Greece and Bulgaria—permitted!> an fifth time<the coalition of Greece and Bulgaria
for the partition of Macedonia>.He uses the term <Macedonia> only in geographical meaning.Nothing about ethnic <Makedontsite> or <makedonski> language.I wonder why this scopian uploaded this document.

But lets see the second newspaper:The <Waren evening times>,7 September 1915.There is a map of the Balkans under the title<The Balkans before and after the Bucharest treaty>.This is the text below the picture:
The dotted section on this map represents the area added to old Serbia under the" treaty signed at Bucharest on Aug.- 10, 1913, which ended the conflict among the Balkan powers that followed their war with Turkey. The shaded portions show the territoryr added to Montenegro, Greece, Bulgaria and Rumania, all being carved out of old Turkey, except the slice adrteti to Rumania, which was ceded to her by Bulgaria.The crux of the whole Balkan problem, as far as it concerns the possible participation of the now neutral powers as Allies of the Quadruple Entente, is whether Bulgaria shall receive back all, or virtually all, of the fragments of Macedonia that were given to Serbia and Greece as a result of the inter-Balkan war.

http://www.esnips.com/doc/bcae6723-d60e-4caf-a126-...

Again i can't understand what he is trying to say.Macedonia is mentioned again with geographical meaning only in the text,not on the map.There is no territory with the name <Macedonia>.You can see <the teritorries added to Serbia,Greece and Bulgaria>.

The third newspaper is the <The Fort Wayne Journal- Gazette> from 12 July 1919 and notice what is there written about the Slavophones in Greek Macedonia:<These Bulgarians have been declared by the Greeks as"Bulgarophone Greeks", but since the partition of Macedonia, they are styled "Slavophone Greeks," in order to disguise the fact that they speak Bulgarian>.As for the <Makedontsite> of Skopje:<Similarly, in what is now Serbian Macedonia the Bulgarian population has been discovered by Serbian savants to be a nondescript or floating "Macedonian" race, which the Serbians can assimilate, inasmuch as it is devoid of nationality.
The conscientious and impartial travellers who visited Macedonia before
the era of controversy knew nothing of this mysterious element, and generally believed the bulk of the rural population to be Bulgarian>.And below:< No person who possesses an adequate first-hand knowledge of the Macedonian rural population can entertain a doubt as to its Bulgarian character. "The peasantry of Macedonia." writes Lady Grogan In 1913 "believe themselves to be Bulgarians in type, customs, language, dress and tradition. That they were Bulgarians was never questioned by travelers who described and mapped the country before the era of national propaganda began.(Iady Grogan, who speaks both.Bulgarian and Serbian, spent a year in Macedonia engaged in relief work (1903-4.)

http://www.esnips.com/doc/a1929bb4-9...te-(july-19150

Without comments,the conclusions are yours!

Let's see the last:It's the <Salt Lake tribune>,6 January 1946.It has a map of southern Balkans,with this text below:<Macedonia is the ultimate in confused border lands—a region of numerous and long-conflicting interests. Three nations—Bulgaria,Greece and Yugoslavia— share this bone of contention: two of them would like a larger share to gain an outlet to the Aegean sea>.

The term Macedonia is used only by geographical meaning.Three nations are mentioned,but not the <makedonski> one.And if you have any doubt,below it's written very clear:<Macedonia's population consists of Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, nomad Vlachs, Albanians,Turks, Gypsies and Jews>.Sorry my scopian friend,but you are not in the list.

http://www.esnips.com/doc/4a1dfee0-09c0-4980-8604-...

[Victor]

EXcellent research Kosta!

[Mazedonien Über Alles]

My contribution for this wonderfull topic


http://forum.kajgana.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=139

[Truth Bearer]

And what's yr point Novamazedonien??

[Truth Bearer]

They were communists of Slavic heritage and??

[Truth Bearer]

It's GEOGRAPHICAL!!!!!!!All yr other articles shows that it differentiates b/w Bulgarians and Macedonians since the latter were subjects of the Ottoman Empire....

[bonaqua]

Originally Posted by Truth Bearer

It's GEOGRAPHICAL!!!!!!!All yr other articles shows that it differentiates b/w Bulgarians and Macedonians since the latter were subjects of the Ottoman Empire....

C'mon TB. The term Macedonian is used as nationality. This is proof that Macedonia existed before 1944.