Pope ,Greece and Macedonia

[akritas]

You know of course the Pop speech that has many reactions to the Muslims around the world.
Below you can read the all speech

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_09_06_pope.pdf

I make a search and i gather all the quotes with the word GREEK

At this point, as far as understanding of God and thus the concrete practice of religion is concerned, we are faced with an unavoidable dilemma. Is the conviction that acting unreasonably contradicts God's nature merely a GREEK idea, or is it always and intrinsically true?

I believe that here we can see the profound harmony between what is GREEK in the best sense of the word and the biblical understanding of faith in God.

Thus, despite the bitter conflict with those Hellenistic rulers who sought to accommodate it forcibly to the customs and idolatrous cult of the GREEKS, biblical faith, in the Hellenistic period, encountered the best of Greek thought at a deep level, resulting in a mutual enrichment evident especially in the later wisdom literature. Today we know that the GREEK translation of the Old Testament produced at Alexandria - the Septuagint - is more than a simple (and in that sense really less than satisfactory) translation of the Hebrew text:
it is an independent textual witness and a distinct and important step in the history of revelation, one which brought about this encounter in a way that was decisive for the birth and spread of Christianity. A profound encounter of faith and reason is taking place here, an encounter between genuine enlightenment and religion.

From the very heart of Christian faith and, at the same time, the heart of Greek thought now joined to faith, Manuel II was able to say: Not to act "with logos" is contrary to God's nature

This inner rapprochement between Biblical faith and GREEK philosophical inquiry was an event of decisive importance not only from the standpoint of the history of religions, but also from that of world history - it is an event which concerns us even today. Given this convergence, it is not surprising that Christianity, despite its origins and some significant developments in the East, finally took on its historically decisive character in Europe. We can also express this the other way around: this convergence, with the subsequent addition of the Roman heritage, created Europe and remains the foundation of what can rightly be called Europe.

The thesis that the critically purified GREEK heritage forms an integral part of Christian faith has been countered by the call for a dehellenization of Christianity - a call which has more and more dominated theological discussions since the beginning of the modern age. Viewed more closely, three stages can be observed in the programme of dehellenization: although interconnected, they are clearly distinct from one another in their motivations and objectives.

The New Testament was written in Greek and bears the imprint of the GREEK spirit, which had already come to maturity as the Old Testament developed. True, there are elements in the evolution of the early Church which do not have to be integrated into all cultures. Nonetheless, the fundamental decisions made about the relationship between faith and the use of human reason are part of the faith itself; they are developments consonant with the nature of faith itself.

AND MY FAVORITE

The encounter between the Biblical message and GREEK thought did not happen by chance. The vision of Saint Paul, who saw the roads to Asia barred and in a dream saw a Macedonian man plead with him:

"Come over to Macedonia and help us!" (cf. Acts 16:6-10) - this vision can be interpreted as a "distillation" of the intrinsic necessity of a rapprochement between Biblical faith and GREEK inquiry.

this Pope say some hot historical truths!!!

[Istor]

It is my strong believe that Christianity is a Greek regligion and an improvement of Greekness.

Orthodoxy is not a Jewish religion. Especially after words of Church's Fathers (Vasileios, Gregorios and Chryssostomos) Orthodoxy is a Greek Religion.

[Amyntas]

I have a book (somewhere here arrounde lol) and i like quote passage where it says:

Modern Greece is the child that was born when old Hellas and Christianity married.

[akritas]

If the Muslims are nervous with the Pop can you imagine our papades faces when read that the Pop saythat there is connection between Christianism and ancient Greek philosphy?

[Istor]

Akrita,

Fathers of Church did recognize and establish that connection of ancient Greece and Christianity.
The problem of our Papades is that they don't like to hear good words by an "enemy".

[Flipper]

First Akritas Bravo. Second, I wonder sometimes where in space you find everything...Third, nowadays not all papades are against ancient greece.

However, I located a greek fanatic site somewhere where they wrote some really bad things about our ancient culture. These blinded people did wrong translations to Herodotus and other ancient writers hopping that uneducated greeks that do not comprehend with accuracy the ancient dialects will believe what they say. AISXOS! I will try to find the link and post it.

[akritas]

First I want to thanks all the people with the kinds works as about my "finding" Is not my finding but Pope words.

Flipper and Istor
In Greece there are some that support this that you said, others that Christianism-Byzantine destroy the Greek culture but the majority of the Greek people (including and our Church) support this that the Pope said.
The matter-of-course
Christianism grow up because the ancient Greek philosophy.

You know what I am worry now.The Greek media show 2 days now the Muslim reaction in the Pope words as about Islam but not a sinlge word as about Him words for the Greek philosphy. Not a single word. And I am curious. I am the only one that read the Pope speech?

[Flipper]

Originally Posted by akritas

First I want to thanks all the people with the kinds works as about my "finding" Is not my finding but Pope words.

Flipper and Istor
In Greece there are some that support this that you said, others that Christianism-Byzantine destroy the Greek culture but the majority of the Greek people (including and our Church) support this that the Pope said.
The matter-of-course
Christianism grow up because the ancient Greek philosophy.

You know what I am worry now.The Greek media show 2 days now the Muslim reaction in the Pope words as about Islam but not a sinlge word as about Him words for the Greek philosphy. Not a single word. And I am curious. I am the only one that read the Pope speech?

If that's the case maybe someone should let them know that.

By the way, is it true that before the christianization of the Greeks they had added a 13th god in their list? The god was "the pure, good but unknown god". I've heard that because of him the christianization was easy cause christians used to say "We came to talk to you about your unknown god".

[akritas]

Originally Posted by Flipper

By the way, is it true that before the christianization of the Greeks they had added a 13th god in their list? The god was "the pure, good but unknown god". I've heard that because of him the christianization was easy cause christians used to say "We came to talk to you about your unknown god".

I have hear this again but really I don't know any other information

[Flipper]

Another interesting thing about Greece and Christianity is that in Asia Minor the Mythras religion became bigger than Christianity until it dissappeared. Mythras was an alternative story of Jesus. It was about the same man but with a different name. Born in the 25th of December and died/ressurected in the same way and day.

http://www.about-jesus.org/paganism.htm#Mithras