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[preston]

Ας ξεκαθαρίσουμε κάτι, ο κάθενας μας έχει τους δικούς του λόγους που γράφει σε αυτό (καί άλλα) φόρουμ. Προσωπικά δέν ενδιαφέρωμε να αποδείξω σε εμένα, εσάς οι τους Σκοπιανούς ποιός είναι ο απόλυτος ιδιοκτήτης της Μακεδονικής γής ή ιδέας. Αυτό που με ενδιαφέρει είναι απλά η αποδοχή τής σημαντικότητας τών Σλαβόφωνων Ελλήνων και ειδικότερα τών απογώνων τους που ζούν εκτός Ελλάδος σε σχετικότητα με το όλο θέμα και την αποστόμοση τών Σκοπιανών. Εχουμε στα χέρια μας (οπώς πάντα είχαμε) το σηματντικότερο "όπλο" για την προστασία της Μακεδονίας και του κύρους μας και όπως παλια το αγνοούμε και το "θάβουμε" γιατι δεν συμφέρει κάποιους απο εμάς.Μπορεί σε κάποιους απο εσάς να φαίνωμαι λιγάκι ειρωνικός αλλά αυτό απλα προκείπτει απο το γεγονός οτι εχω σπαταλίσει πολυ περισότερες ώρες απο όσες θα έπρεπε αμυνώμενος αυτού που θεωρώ σωστό.. Οι περισότεροι απο εσάς ζούνε σε πολυπολιτισμικές κοινωνίες απολαμβάνωντας αυτά που τούς προσφέρουν, ανεντικότητα, κατανόηση και αποδοχή τών άλλων, ξεχνούν όμως να το πράξουν εδώ και σε αυτό το θέμα. Αν σήμερα όλοι μας (όσοι ενδιαφερώμαστε) αγωνιζώμαστε να διατηρήσουμαι την ιδιοκτησία σε κάτι που ούτος ή άλλος μας ανήκει αίναι απλά επειδή επαναλαμβάνουμε τό ίδιο λάθος . Ξεχνάμαι τους Μακεδόνες μας!!

[Euklid]

Originally Posted by preston

Αυτό που με ενδιαφέρει είναι απλά η αποδοχή τής σημαντικότητας τών Σλαβόφωνων Ελλήνων και ειδικότερα τών απογώνων τους που ζούν εκτός Ελλάδος σε σχετικότητα με το όλο θέμα και την αποστόμοση τών Σκοπιανών. Εχουμε στα χέρια μας (οπώς πάντα είχαμε) το σηματντικότερο "όπλο" για την προστασία της Μακεδονίας και του κύρους μας και όπως παλια το αγνοούμε και το "θάβουμε" γιατι δεν συμφέρει κάποιους απο εμάς.

Preston, opos proaneferes oloi eimaste edo ejyphretontas kapoio skopo, akoma kai esy!

Min jexnas omos oti kapoioi vlepoun ta pragmata me fakous presvyopias, i kai myopias akoma.

PLease do forgive me for my narrowness, bit i will have to be short as about Hypocricy.

Artists use lies to tell the truth, while others use the truth to hide the lies.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by preston

lol...I ELLAS POTE DEN PETHENI !!
Here we are talking with some very intelligent Greeks from Greece and the only two things they have in value to actually discuss and debate is sex and media...what a Cliché
Lets challenge them , picking in someone's brief comment about educational system and privatisation...
Which of the 2 following is good my dear Ellinarades apo tin Andromeda?
1. ????A State educational system that provides education according to the National Budged (eg. we can only afford one PC per 20 students, or we can only have classes of 34 students per teacher)..and we get to be proud for not having our educational system privatised although we end up producing Low-Education graduates that can not compete in the world market due to their unrecognisable degrees!!
2.????A Privatised education system, that provides 1 PC per student and classes that the teacher to student ratio is 1:14 maximum. The Kids and their parents pick up the bill (rather then the Tax man that spends it on bribes) for it and we end up having comparative graduates that have nothing to disadvantage them against the rest of the world.
One should try to make up his mind with out the slogan "Psomi Pedia Eleftheria in mind"...hahahahahahah!!!!

I don't get the 'Andromeda' comment but anyway...

Privitisation of the schools is not the solution, nor is the institution of free public education, a right that all should have, the actual problem.

In the US privitization is the 'model' (don't know about Australia), but throughout the vast majority of European countries, goverment funded education is the standard.
Keeping this in mind and the undoubtable fact that neither the French nor the German...etc graduates, are considered of a lower educated status than any graduate of a US school (well may be considered in paper, but in practice we all see that they are not), it becomes obvious that the problem is elsewhere.. and this is the very foundations of what "we".. consider adequate education and funding for this 'adequate' education...

The major difference and the very essence of the problem is that in 'foreign' institutions the student is guided in such a way, that he eventually thinks on his own, he develops a freedom and cultivation of thoughts and ideas, while here.. they synonym to the above is "παπαγαλια", taking a specific and guided route as defined through the textbooks.

The reason for this is the pure incompotence of our so-called 'educators'.. people that ignore the very basics of their alleged 'field of expertise' and are in deep need of their 'teachers guide' to 'shine' all that knowledge they allegedly have on their students. (its not a mere coincidence that they don't give a damn about the travesty resently presented and titled "school textbooks" [see relative topic]... they've left out all the parts these people ignore making it far easier for them to do what they're acustomed to... keeping our youth 'illeterate')

What should change is the way we 'grade' our (only by name) 'educator's' value and abilities. But when this was attempted a couple of years ago, by suggesting the examination of all substitute teachers prior to their appointment, all hell broke loose (major strike wave)... So is safe to say, that this clearly depicts that they themselves fully acknowledge their incompotence, since by accepting such a measure, they'd literally sign their eternal unemployment.

So I guess it all comes down to the abolishment of the institution of permanency in specific govermental positions and a major change in the public's mentality, in which we won't strive to use the 'visma' to get our unadequate nephew appointed in a school..
When those that truelly are adequate are appointed as 'educators' then and only then will we see a change in the value of education provided..

[preston]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

I don't get the 'Andromeda' comment but anyway...

Privitisation of the schools is not the solution, nor is the institution of free public education, a right that all should have, the actual problem.

In the US privitization is the 'model' (don't know about Australia), but throughout the vast majority of European countries, goverment funded education is the standard.
Keeping this in mind and the undoubtable fact that neither the French nor the German...etc graduates, are considered of a lower educated status than any graduate of a US school (well may be considered in paper, but in practice we all see that they are not), it becomes obvious that the problem is elsewhere.. and this is the very foundations of what "we".. consider adequate education and funding for this 'adequate' education...

The major difference and the very essence of the problem is that in 'foreign' institutions the student is guided in such a way, that he eventually thinks on his own, he develops a freedom and cultivation of thoughts and ideas, while here.. they synonym to the above is "παπαγαλια", taking a specific and guided route as defined through the textbooks.

The reason for this is the pure incompotence of our so-called 'educators'.. people that ignore the very basics of their alleged 'field of expertise' and are in deep need of their 'teachers guide' to 'shine' all that knowledge they allegedly have on their students. (its not a mere coincidence that they don't give a damn about the travesty resently presented and titled "school textbooks" [see relative topic]... they've left out all the parts these people ignore making it far easier for them to do what they're acustomed to... keeping our youth 'illeterate')

What should change is the way we 'grade' our (only by name) 'educator's' value and abilities. But when this was attempted a couple of years ago, by suggesting the examination of all substitute teachers prior to their appointment, all hell broke loose (major strike wave)... So is safe to say, that this clearly depicts that they themselves fully acknowledge their incompotence, since by accepting such a measure, they'd literally sign their eternal unemployment.

So I guess it all comes down to the abolishment of the institution of permanency in specific govermental positions and a major change in the public's mentality, in which we won't strive to use the 'visma' to get our unadequate nephew appointed in a school..
When those that truelly are adequate are appointed as 'educators' then and only then will we see a change in the value of education provided..

Summing it all up my dear friend, the Cliché remains and furthers it self. Since modern Greeks use as their valuation criteria “who is the nephew of who” and “who is the koubaros of who” and how much closer then the six degrees of separation “we can get to the local parliament member” and since the modern Greek Politicians adopt to the attitude and make sure that they have a minimum of 600 koubaries per State, you blame the French and others for thinking of us as the Land of Avnanistan?..we are doomed to result in to two topics of interest…sex and media.
The Andromeda bit refers to the fact that in the last decade the majority of free and open-minded thinkers in Greece has resulted in the adoption of theories and organization/individuals (please research, Ellinon Politia, the Legent of Prof. Lianidis, ELINA.I.S, Golden Dawn, etc) that promote ideas that we come from outer space since no other logical alternative can be provided.

[preston]

Originally Posted by preston

Thank you for clarifing...ekpemboume stin idia sihnotita.
Changing the subject...I just had a look at that maknews forum, there is an "Alkiviadis" posting old Encyclopidia pics showing the southern parts of Yugoslavia as we refered it as Makedonia...and that sheep (provata) is getting exited...can someone go tell them that was because we were tought (the 35+ as he is stating) that we still have a Xehasmeni Patrida (forgoten land) that we should one day reclaim and when it states "Speaking Language "Makedonika" it refers to the localk Greek dialect spoken..... and not the way they would like to see it!!....axaxaxaxaa I have never come across a bigger bunch of fools...and they are all congratulating him!!!

axaxaxaxa...they cont on to it and removed the whole topic in their archives...lol...and they have not even thank us for the tip!!
Gia sou re maknews maklaka!!!! I can see akrita rooling on his back and on the floor pissing him self loughing!!!

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by preston

Summing it all up my dear friend, the Cliché remains and furthers it self. Since modern Greeks use as their valuation criteria “who is the nephew of who” and “who is the koubaros of who” and how much closer then the six degrees of separation “we can get to the local parliament member” and since the modern Greek Politicians adopt to the attitude and make sure that they have a minimum of 600 koubaries per State, you blame the French and others for thinking of us as the Land of Avnanistan?..we are doomed to result in to two topics of interest…sex and media.

While you do have a point, I simply can't see us centralizing on the issues in question. True there has been a conveniently promoted enstrangment from our values and real issues of vital interest, but this is simply the product of guided media and the enforced notion of globalization/multiculturalism..
As I'm sure you know, we may be a lot of things, but totally indiferrent on our country's issues we are not.

The Andromeda bit refers to the fact that in the last decade the majority of free and open-minded thinkers in Greece has resulted in the adoption of theories and organization/individuals (please research, Ellinon Politia, the Legent of Prof. Lianidis, ELINA.I.S, Golden Dawn, etc) that promote ideas that we come from outer space since no other logical alternative can be provided.

OK, now I get it.. But who takes Keramidas, Liakopoulos and the rest of the E.T promoters seriously ?
As for "Omada Epsilon", since it also falls in the same category (even though originally not connected to E.T), while I know that the knowledge does exist (Gkiolvas, Metropolis, Ypsilantis..etc).. I think that all those that believe in the alleged "group" have simply given up all hope, stoped fighting for the 'cause' and are just waiting for some alien "group" to save him and the nation...