Preston , info required

[Orphic_Hymn]

It is true that the Communist Party has supported the MAcedonian self determination. The other parties of the left did the same.

On the other hand as you see in this forum all the trouble is done by the conservative and radical right.
People who keep on chasing Communists 15 years after the collapse of Communism . Relics of the past and the cold war who are stuck to the post civil war period.
In a few words: a bunch of blacks.

Conservative and radical right !!!!

Why is it re Niko that all you pseudo-progressivists label someone 'radical right' when he supports his country's interest ??
I've seen far too many of you pseudo-progressive ideologists of a lost cause, that would willfully sell out their home before they'd even think of stating anything against what their dead political ideology had suggested in the past..
But its always interesting to note, that you psedo-progressivists, ignore the well documented fact that your own, Mikis Theodorakis, is one of us..
μικροπρεπεια.. thats the only word for you people..

Wake up re.. the Berlin wall has fallen and with it, it took any remains of your judeo-political beliefs..

If you feel humiliated every time the true history of your demented political beliefs are mentioned that does not justify the crap you use as your defence, it only indicates the total lack of arguments you and your kind have..

You are not majority. You are minority but you are many and no one wants to lose your votes. That's why Greece doesn't recognize Macedonia. For no other reason.

According to who's statistics?.. rizospastis ???

Ase re Niko..
Last time I checked, in a democracy its the people's votes that count..
Its the people that should decide..
So if the politicians fear the political cost, well that should actually please instead of disappoint you, for it clearly indicates that at least the fundamental values of democracy are working..

The people's voice is heard... katalabes

I will remind you the church's campain for the mentioning of the religion in the id cards. In the beginning the church was talking on behalf of the 96% of the Greek people, but managed to collect only the 25% of the signatures. And I believe that you are the same audience, even fewer.

Again twisting the βουρτσα with the well known different thing..

What does the ID issue have to do with the name ???

Again you use anything and everything you can think of, in yet another pathetic display of non-existant arguments..

- In the demonstrations for the name that were recently organized in Thessaloniki only 1000-2000 went.

Yeah that was the number that the guided media presented.. interestingly enough, when Xardabelas put the real video on air.. A whole bunch of media CEO's lost their tongue..
But rizospastis knows best and the video was obviously a fraud..

- Last November the discussion in the Parliament for the veto and the referendum you were defeated. Everybody agreed that it is not constructive to return to 1992 and we must follow another policy.

Take a different approach does not indicate acceptance of the name. If the refferendum was decided, it would simply put a whole lot more pressure on the goverment, which is why it was avoided..

While political decisions are not to be taken by the public that will decide based on sentiment rather than cold logic. This issue should have been somehing that would annoy you and not something to celebrate.. but in your pseudo-progressive logic, true democracy is but a dream..

- In the Greek forums if you start a thread about Skopianoi-whatever for sure you will be treated by one or two guys like me.

Treated ????
Re Niko, its truelly sad that you can't see that you are considered the site's jester.. You're here to entertain and under no condition are you considered a representive opinion of the Hellines, neither those abroad nor those here in Hellas..

One or two.... I recall you speaking of majority
You and all the pseudo-progressivists like you, think that by putting an anti-jew or right label, you win points.. Well sorry to burst your bubble Nikolaki, but ΠΑΤΡΙΔΑ and the values this word represents, are non-debatable.. You can't win anything if its not in favor of this ideal..

[preston]

Hello everyone and thank you for you input. Very glad to meet you Vasiliye, I’m looking forward in reading all your messages, I believe that Greeks like us need the knowledge that you can provide.

Gia sou re Niko , I can see that months after my departure from this forum, some members are still getting pissed of with you and doubt your Nationality. I believe you are Greek and a very Neoellinas for that matter!! Lol.
As far as your comment about communism and people still chasing ghost etc…well what can we say Niko, it is Greece and it’s political arena that preserves the Communist parties and stills lures people to it’s bullshit …maybe you and our country’s politics still leave with ghosts.
Name issue you say… sure! They can name them selves anything they wish and we can name them anything we wish…is that fair? Or should they impose their views on us? …How far can your open mindness go?
Tell you what my friend…… I like to belong to the “good” side of this world. I don’t want to be seen by anyone as a “Balkan minipower” , I don’t want the upper and privileged class of FYROM to see me preferably because of my money, while the masses hate me because of my imperialism!!
I simply want one thing…I want back all my Hellenes brothers and sisters that can and want to love Greece! I want them back regardless to the language they speak or the dances they dance! I want to claim what is mine before others do!!!
And to do so I will TRUST and not deny their heritage!
I want to say only “You are a Macedonian and you can be part of Greece no matter what” !

PS:Since this conversation has taken us to some interesting “non-fyrominian” topics I will post again accordingly.

[preston]

Well what can I say…. except that the hard facts show that Niko and Istor (using them as 2 very extreme examples) are both right!
I can sit here and debate Niko, but I know Niko is the typical Neo-Hellene who will rally in the streets of Athens against American imperialism and have a brake from his Molotov throwing activities to go and watch NBA’s latest game with NY Yankees Vs Boston Tigers!
I can sit here and debate Istor but I know Istor knows Greece’s Ethnic and Cultural diversion can only much the American one!
The Facts stop me.
Greece has managed to create a Nation out of nothing and based only on it citizens believes. One Religion One Language.
Look at the East, look at the North, Look at the South and the West of our Nation. Poverty, Racial injustice, Religion and Racial prejudice. A bunch of rubbish. Look at us.
In less then 3 decades we have come from a GDP of $3,000 US to one that nearly matches the Australian one; we have managed to avoid conflicts, social disasters and numerous bankruptcies.
The Arabs love us and the Jews thank us. The Americans will always come to us for support while the Russians will always come to us to hide their money. The Chinese see us as their best mates and doorstep towards the European market and the Africans thank us forever!
We are the bride of the East and the Mistress of the West…so Niko and Istor…KEEP U THE DEBATE!
What does not kill you, makes you better.

[Slayer]

Preston, nice topic you opened.

Can you please do me a favour and explain what you meant in your last post directed to Istor "Greece’s Ethnic and Cultural diversion can only much the American one!"

Are you saying that Greece, not including economic migrants over the last 15 years is populated by a diverse range of ethnicities and cultures? Or more importatntly the Greeks are a diverse Ethnic and cultural group?

Regards
Slayer

[preston]

Originally Posted by Slayer

Preston, nice topic you opened.

Can you please do me a favour and explain what you meant in your last post directed to Istor "Greece’s Ethnic and Cultural diversion can only much the American one!"

Are you saying that Greece, not including economic migrants over the last 15 years is populated by a diverse range of ethnicities and cultures? Or more importatntly the Greeks are a diverse Ethnic and cultural group?

Regards
Slayer

Slayer it is and Voulgaroktonos is…politically incorrect but yet Hellenic proud!…lol.
Hello Slayer and welcome to my dark and magical forest, I feel poetic today and mind that I provide only one-way tickets to my world…lol!!!
The Greeks have done it all…
1.Democracy?…sure…done it 8000 years ago, and our best philosopher prove it to be wrong and not applicable to any larger society then few thousand people. Socrates preached that Democracy is the most rotten and wrong system to govern, Aristocracy is the best (refresh your ancient Greek vocabulary to understand the word “aristocracy”) and only system to govern but yet it is futile since it can only be applied in a utopian society. And then we killed him. Treha grieve!!
2. Globalization? ..Done that too in a miniature and proven that it only results to conflicts!
3.Unification…well…what can I say on that? Take a race that had never in the past got together and put it in a timeframe of historical opportunity where for the first time its people (of a common language) will gather from the four corners of the known world and create a Nation that belongs to no other Race. Saxons, Slavs, Germanics, Arabs, Chinese, Africans and on the side…Hellenes and nothing else!
Your answer lies hidden in the above… Immigrants are of no relativity in this issue.

Remember this my dear brothers and sisters, the Slavo-Macedonian hatred toward us is just an other chapter to our long history. The same way we claimed our present land decades ago is the same way we need to defend it…but never forget our own!!!

[Istor]

O Nikos einai enas provokatoras tou kerata.

Den exei kanenan endoiasmo na leei psemata kai mises alh8eies gia na yperaspistei ta pistevw tou.

Den einai etsi oi Neoellines, preston. Den 3erw pou vasizeis afto to symperasma. Oi Ellines fainomaste anemeloi kai adiaforoi gia ta sovara 8emata ths xwras mas, kyriws dioti 3eroume na xiaromaste dhmosia kai entona tis liges stigmes xaras pou exoume.

Se plhroforw omws, oti an xreiastei 8a 3anankanoume ta syllalyhthria tou 199x. Kai oi neoi mas 8a 3anakanoun mara8wnes kai Makedonomaxous.

Osoi eiste e3w apo kommata einai sigouro oti den katalavate posh piesh askh8hke sthn kommatikh organwsh ths ND sth 8essalonikh ton Noembrio tou 2004 gia na mhn antidrasei otan oi USA anagnwrisan tous anistoritous ws Makedones. H organwsh etoimaze mia toso sfodrh antidrash pou 9a kaigotan h 8essaloniki. Alla, as opsetai h Athina.

Mhn akoute to Niko, den einai Ellinas.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Istor

Den einai etsi oi Neoellines, preston. Den 3erw pou vasizeis afto to symperasma. Oi Ellines fainomaste anemeloi kai adiaforoi gia ta sovara 8emata ths xwras mas, kyriws dioti 3eroume na xiaromaste dhmosia kai entona tis liges stigmes xaras pou exoume.

Istor..

I believe Preston is using the term Neo-Ellines in a different manner.. I posted this once again in the past and he didn't object to my definition of it, so I'll consider it correct and repost it..

The term Neo-Hellinas, isn't used to define 'modern Hellines' as in contrast to 'ancient', which I truelly believe he has no connection to either.

Its used to describe all those 'ksenodoulous ragiades', the illiterate nothings that are connected to the greatness of Hellas only because of a drunken mistake. For all those that are responsible, and have assisted in the annihilation and extinction of every trace of mental and cultural heritage.

All those Neo-Hellines like our dear friend Nikolakis, are to blame, for the elimination of every ideal and virtue embodied, protected with blood and offered to the world by the Hellinic race throughout history..

[Slayer]

Originally Posted by preston

Slayer it is and Voulgaroktonos is…politically incorrect but yet Hellenic proud!…lol.
Hello Slayer and welcome to my dark and magical forest, I feel poetic today and mind that I provide only one-way tickets to my world…lol!!!
The Greeks have done it all…
1.Democracy?…sure…done it 8000 years ago, and our best philosopher prove it to be wrong and not applicable to any larger society then few thousand people. Socrates preached that Democracy is the most rotten and wrong system to govern, Aristocracy is the best (refresh your ancient Greek vocabulary to understand the word “aristocracy”) and only system to govern but yet it is futile since it can only be applied in a utopian society. And then we killed him. Treha grieve!!
2. Globalization? ..Done that too in a miniature and proven that it only results to conflicts!
3.Unification…well…what can I say on that? Take a race that had never in the past got together and put it in a timeframe of historical opportunity where for the first time its people (of a common language) will gather from the four corners of the known world and create a Nation that belongs to no other Race. Saxons, Slavs, Germanics, Arabs, Chinese, Africans and on the side…Hellenes and nothing else!
Your answer lies hidden in the above… Immigrants are of no relativity in this issue.

Remember this my dear brothers and sisters, the Slavo-Macedonian hatred toward us is just an other chapter to our long history. The same way we claimed our present land decades ago is the same way we need to defend it…but never forget our own!!!

So if I am reading this correctly you are of the same opinion of Chris Stefou (stefov) that the origins of the Greeks of today are just a mix of Slavs, Turks, Bulgarians and Albanians..If that is so then I would love to hear your opinion on the Origins of today`s Bulgarians, Albanians, Turks and the Slavic population of FYROM?

I hope your world is not secluded like the former communist states of the 20th Century, but thanks for the one way ticket.

[pankration]

Originally Posted by preston

Well what can I say…. except that the hard facts show that Niko and Istor (using them as 2 very extreme examples) are both right!
I can sit here and debate Niko, but I know Niko is the typical Neo-Hellene who will rally in the streets of Athens against American imperialism and have a brake from his Molotov throwing activities to go and watch NBA’s latest game with NY Yankees Vs Boston Tigers!
I can sit here and debate Istor but I know Istor knows Greece’s Ethnic and Cultural diversion can only much the American one!
The Facts stop me.
Greece has managed to create a Nation out of nothing and based only on it citizens believes. One Religion One Language.
Look at the East, look at the North, Look at the South and the West of our Nation. Poverty, Racial injustice, Religion and Racial prejudice. A bunch of rubbish. Look at us.
In less then 3 decades we have come from a GDP of $3,000 US to one that nearly matches the Australian one; we have managed to avoid conflicts, social disasters and numerous bankruptcies.
The Arabs love us and the Jews thank us. The Americans will always come to us for support while the Russians will always come to us to hide their money. The Chinese see us as their best mates and doorstep towards the European market and the Africans thank us forever!
We are the bride of the East and the Mistress of the West…so Niko and Istor…KEEP U THE DEBATE!
What does not kill you, makes you better.

I would not say that Greece was created out of nothing! Thousands of years of history punctuated by conflict, occupation, cultural assimilation and a diaspora that ranks with the Jews unified Greeks from the ancient times to today even if a country called Greece did not exist before the 1800's.
Although I have not been to Greece in a long while, from what I see, hear and read, Greece is doing relatively well in all areas and for a small country it's actually phenomenal. Does anyone wonder why we are the "bride of the East and the Mistress of the West"? Greeks can be obnoxious, opinionated and just plain ornery but more than any culture on this planet, they are honest, care for their fellow man and actually give a shit about how people live. The fact that so many diverse (even enemy) cultures come to us is indicative of the high esteem our values and morals are held. Our history has shaped us and everyone knows what type of persons we are. That's why these skop revisionists must be stopped! THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SKOPS: THEY WANT TO BE GREEKS!!!! Stealing Macedonia from us is the only way they can succeed. They can't do it militarily so they are trying propaganda. Well, if it's an intellectual war they want; they've got it.

[Amarantos]

Originally Posted by pankration

....Greeks can be obnoxious, opinionated and just plain ornery but more than any culture on this planet, they are honest, care for their fellow man and actually give a shit about how people live.

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