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[Nikos]

It is not Communism, or left, or whatever. These are things expressed officially by ND MPs like N Georgiadis, also Th. Pagalos and M. Chrisohoidis from PASOK, also various journalists from all around the political scene of Greece, and a hell of others inofficially. Perhaps our government soon will say the same.

For your information the Communist Party has never spoken about recognition of Macedonia. They speak about the "geographic determination". You are very far away the Greek political matters.

Yes it is blatant to deny people who for 6 generations now are told at school and familly that they are Macedonians and the whoooole humanity has recognized them as such.
And when these 20 years old boys and girls come to Asprovalta for weekend, and get in a group to play beach volley and introduce: "this is hans from Austria, this is Julia from Italy.... and this is Elena from Macedonia". Then a cretine stands up and screams "She is not Macedonian, she is Skopiani!!!!"
Excuse me but I disagree with this. This is blatant, inpolite, illogical,... and above all it is not clever.
If you want to do it then do it, but don't expect me to applause you.
And I understand that someone who has experienced sth like that to have a bad picture for Greece. Would you like sth like that to happen to you?

Anyway stick to the topic.
The fact is that the name dispute doesn't help any pro-Greek feelings to emerge in RoM and as long as it lasts it there will be a terrible picture for Greece there. This is the reality either we are right or wrong.

The fairy tale that there are Greek flags weaving, everybody speaks Greek and are greateful to Greece for the notorious investments blah blah is BULLSHIT!.

[Euklid]

Nick, i have spoken to a considerable amount of Skopians, and if they are over 25-26, and i refer to the word Macedonia, they just laugh and tell me that the only thing they want is to aprty and get drunk.

A considerable amount of people in Skopia are well aware if they are Macedonians or not. 6 generations is bullshit, Only this young geneartion is pro-Macedonian and actually ignorant of their Bulgar and Serb past.


What you say about the girl in Mykonos or wherever might be true and am not proud of that, but what should we do?

Is it our fault?

And what about the Macedonian from Greece that goes to the Us and calls himself a Macedonian and the americans think he is a Slavo-skopiano.

For whom do you care more? for the slavo-skopiano who has been brainwashed or for your fellow countryman, who is in the right and he cant even say a word about it?

[Leonatos]

Nikos wrote:
The fact is that the name dispute doesn't help any pro-Greek feelings to emerge in RoM and as long as it lasts there will be a terrible picture for Greece there. This is the reality either we are right or wrong.
We have shown our good will and we have invested in FYROM.What have they done on their part to show their good will?NOTHING.
In fact what they want is our yielding to their demands.
It is up to them to make a step towards the solution of the name dispute.The fact that they don't do that,shows that they actually don't respect us and that they feel that they have the upper hand.So it is their government that doesn't want the friendship between the Greek people and the slavic people of FYROM,not us.

[Amarantos]

Originally Posted by Nikos

It is not Communism, or left, or whatever. These are things expressed officially by ND MPs like N Georgiadis, also Th. Pagalos and M. Chrisohoidis from PASOK, also various journalists from all around the political scene of Greece, and a hell of others inofficially. Perhaps our government soon will say the same.

For your information the Communist Party has never spoken about recognition of Macedonia. They speak about the "geographic determination". You are very far away the Greek political matters.

Yes it is blatant to deny people who for 6 generations now are told at school and familly that they are Macedonians and the whoooole humanity has recognized them as such.
And when these 20 years old boys and girls come to Asprovalta for weekend, and get in a group to play beach volley and introduce: "this is hans from Austria, this is Julia from Italy.... and this is Elena from Macedonia". Then a cretine stands up and screams "She is not Macedonian, she is Skopiani!!!!"
Excuse me but I disagree with this. This is blatant, inpolite, illogical,... and above all it is not clever.
If you want to do it then do it, but don't expect me to applause you.
And I understand that someone who has experienced sth like that to have a bad picture for Greece. Would you like sth like that to happen to you?

Anyway stick to the topic.
The fact is that the name dispute doesn't help any pro-Greek feelings to emerge in RoM and as long as it lasts it there will be a terrible picture for Greece there. This is the reality either we are right or wrong.

The fairy tale that there are Greek flags weaving, everybody speaks Greek and are greateful to Greece for the notorious investments blah blah is BULLSHIT!.

Nikos,it's clear that you know which strings to pull in the character of the Greek people,so as to achieve that someone will say at the end "what the hell...take the name".Do not try to create some kind of sence of guilt.It doesn't work.
The politicians and the persons who support your ideas,like it or not,have a communist orientation.They are not the major part!I see young people in Greece who want to know more about the question,because they consider it and they know that it's part of THEIR heritage.
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P.s.Nice to find everyone again!

[Istor]

Niko lalaka,

While you can count the members of Greek society who say pro-FYROMian thoughts, I cannot count the members of Greek society that are against any Macedonian name for FYROM.

But for you majority doesn't count. You have always been an idiot.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Nikos

For your information the Communist Party has never spoken about recognition of Macedonia. They speak about the "geographic determination". You are very far away the Greek political matters.

Re Niko, I really don't care if you are or are not a supporter of KKE, but stuff like this shouldn't be posted..
Have you actually forgotten your history ???

5η Ολομέλεια της ΚΕ του ΚΚΕ το 1949

""Στη Βόρεια Ελλάδα ο μακεδονικός (σλαβομακεδονικός) λαός τα 'δωσε όλα για τον αγώνα και πολεμά με μια ολοκλήρωση ηρωισμού και αυτοθυσίας που προκαλούν το θαυμασμό. Δεν πρέπει να υπάρχει καμιά αμφιβολία ότι σαν αποτέλεσμα της νίκης του ΔΣΕ και της λαϊκής επανάστασης, ο μακεδονικός λαός θα βρει την πλήρη εθνική αποκατάστασή του έτσι όπως το θέλει ο ίδιος, προσφέροντας σήμερα με το αίμα του για να την αποχτήσει.

Οι Μακεδόνες κομμουνιστές στέκονται πάντα επικεφαλής στην πάλη του λαού των. Ταυτόχρονα, οι Μακεδόνες κομμουνιστές πρέπει να προσέξουν τις διασπαστικές και διαλυτικές ενέργειες που ξενοκίνητα σοβινιστικά και αντιδραστικά στοιχεία αναπτύσσουν, για να διασπάσουν την ενότητα ανάμεσα στο μακεδονικό(σλαβομακεδονικό) και τον ελληνικό λαό, διάσπαση που μόνο τον κοινό τους εχθρό, το μοναρχοφασισμό και τον αμερικανοαγγλικό ιμπεριαλισμό θα ωφελήσει.Παράλληλα, το ΚΚΕ πρέπει ριζικά να βγάλει απ' τη μέση όλα τα εμπόδια, να χτυπήσει όλες τις μεγαλοελλαδίτικες σοβινιστικές εκδηλώσεις και τα έργα, που προκαλούν δυσαρέσκεια και δυσφορία μέσα στο μακεδονικό λαό και έτσι βοηθούν τους διασπαστές στην προδοτική δράση τους, ενισχύουν το έργο της αντίδρασης.

Ο σλαβομακεδονικός και ελληνικός λαός μόνον ενωμένοι μπορούν να νικήσουν. Διασπασμένοι μόνον ήττες μπορούν να πάθουν. Γι' αυτό η ενότητα στην πάλη των δύο λαών πρέπει να φυλάγεται σαν κόρη οφθαλμού και να ενισχύεται και να δυναμώνει σταθερά και καθημερινά".
("Επίσημα Κείμενα ΚΚΕ", τόμος 6ος, σελ. 337-338)."

Magazine "Δημοκρατικός Στρατός", έκδοση Ριζοσπάστη 1996

Zachariadis is quoted saying:

"Ο μακεδονικός λαός θα αποκτήσει μια ανεξάρτητη, κρατικά ενιαία και ισότιμη θέση στην οικογένεια των λεύτερων λαϊκοδημοκρατικών λαών στα Βαλκάνια, στην οικογένεια αυτή, όπου αύριο θα ανήκει και ο ελληνικός λαός με τη Λαϊκή Δημοκρατία.
Γι' αυτή την ανεξάρτητη κρατικά ενιαία και ισότιμη θέση παλεύει σήμερα και ο μακεδονικός λαός της Μακεδονίας του Αιγαίου και βοηθά με όλη του την ψυχή, με όλα του τα μέσα, τον ΔΣΕ, τόσο που ξεσηκώνει το θαυμασμό για το μεγαλείο και το ολοκαύτωμα της προσπάθειάς του" ( σελ. 528)."

Have you forgotten that in 92' the KKE was the only party that strictly opposed to the demonstrations against the name.. actually not only was it against, but totally and fully supported the determination of our northern neighbors as such !!!


Of course today, the representatives of the party in question, claim to use the term only to determine a geographic region. But their continuous strife for the recognition of this country with the use of the word Makedonia, clearly indicates that they have not changed mentality and are still stuck in 1900's geopolitical games played by mama-Russia.
Don't try to fool yourself..

[akritas]

Nikos(if he is Greek) is a case that respresent the 5% of the Greek people.A case that lived in Cold War and in the illusion that some time the Soviet Union will be re-birth.
Actually theirs ancestors(for sure politically) drove the Greece in an civil war, something that Nikolas have denied of course

Originally Posted by Nikos

For your information the Communist Party has never spoken about recognition of Macedonia. They speak about the "geographic determination". You are very far away the Greek political matters..

[Nikos]

Amarante welcome back at first.
Re Amarante stop the "give name" populism. No one has ever asked us what their name is. They have the name since 1992. Everybody in the world calls them Macedonians. And this doesn't change even if we do war against them.
If we invade them everybody will say "Greece occupies Macedonia".

As regards the political aspect of the issue, I know that it is an infertile discussion done in English in front of our diaspora and many others who don't know about the blue-green-red cafes. But I take the challenge.

It is true that the Communist Party has supported the MAcedonian self determination. The other parties of the left did the same.

On the other hand as you see in this forum all the trouble is done by the conservative and radical right.
People who keep on chasing Communists 15 years after the collapse of Communism . Relics of the past and the cold war who are stuck to the post civil war period.
In a few words: a bunch of blacks.

You are not majority. You are minority but you are many and no one wants to lose your votes. That's why Greece doesn't recognize Macedonia. For no other reason.

I will remind you the church's campain for the mentioning of the religion in the id cards. In the beginning the church was talking on behalf of the 96% of the Greek people, but managed to collect only the 25% of the signatures. And I believe that you are the same audience, even fewer.

Where did you see that you are majority?

- In the demonstrations for the name that were recently organized in Thessaloniki only 1000-2000 went.
- Last November the discussion in the Parliament for the veto and the referendum you were defeated. Everybody agreed that it is not constructive to return to 1992 and we must follow another policy.
- In the Greek forums if you start a thread about Skopianoi-whatever for sure you will be treated by one or two guys like me.
- Many people already call them Macedonia

My picture is that the vast majority of the Greek people appears to have no problem if the country is recognized with the name Macedonia, provided that the security and interests of Greece are secured.

So watch out because you may have a heart attack

[akritas]

Nikos opinion as about KKE AND Macedonian issue in 8 September 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Nikos

It is true that the Communist Party has supported the MAcedonian self determination. The other parties of the left did the same.

Nikos opinion as about KKE and Macedonia issue Yesterday

Originally Posted by Nikos

For your information the Communist Party has never spoken about recognition of Macedonia. They speak about the "geographic determination". You are very far away the Greek political matters.

Your conclusions as about what is Nikos and what try to show us is yours!!!!!

[Flipper]

Originally Posted by Nikos
For your information the Communist Party has never spoken about recognition of Macedonia. They speak about the "geographic determination". You are very far away the Greek political matters..

Niko pou zeis? Get back to reality. Please have a look at the newspapper archive from 1947-49 and come and tell us we're wrong.

Tha sto pw apla Niko gia na min koroidevomaste. Den psifizw Karatzaferi oute dexia. Theorw olh thn politikh sthn Ellada idio nomisma hte einai aristera hte dexia. Kai oute eimai anarxikos...Me endiaferei h istoria ths xwras mou kai to kalo ths. Efoson den yparxoun kommata ta opoia kanoun kati kalo egw tha ta lew xhma mias kai den pernw kanonos to meros. Auto pou ekane to KKE tote den to sigxwrw opws den sigxwrw kai ton Dimitropanagiwth (gia na min leme onomata). Kai oi dyo plevres SK*TA ta kanane, as min kribomaste pisw apo to daktylo mas.