Foustanella

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by boreans79

Usually the non-inteligent people have hard time to understant the inteligent ones.

Ι see you do know yourself well!don't you?It might not be difficult because a non-intelligent can understand only something similar
anyway if you do not understand me tell me to explain you better.
for your help jerk I told you that your dance could have been inspired from similar Greeks since we've have such dances from the antiquity and you are newcomers in the Balkans so it was adopted by you.
You first said that fustanella was invented by the Illyrians but you forgot(?) to mention that Ancient Greeks did have the same clothes even in Minoan times.The Illyrians did not have any but any culture.so they adopted foreign.The specific pictures of yours also show Illyrians in roman times when they were totally assimilated.That's why we do not have any evidence about them...that means the fustanella dress has nothing to do with Illyrians who were a 'barbaric' nation.so if you were clever you might had understood that there is no connection of what you write and what exists in reality.In a few words fustanella is a dress of ancient Greek style which was developed in Byzantine years and remained till now and affected the Balkan culture.Because both ancient Greece and the Byzantine empire(Greek) were the only civilizations which prospered in the Balkans and that means they highly influenced the local traditions.Illyrians not only they did not have any culture but they were also disappeared.
The rest are just paintings of Greeks in the mid and late 19 century.Aren't they?
smartness might not be your best weapon.

[boreans79]

Originally Posted by Sniper

actually those picture if you look in historical sources and not in usual propaganda crap you'll see they show Greeks in ottoman times and ater that.Don't you agree

How can I agree??

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by boreans79

How can I agree??

so what?do you know what balkanization is?you think that you didn't adopted foreign culture?because fustanella look like ancient Greek clothes very much so it cannot be brought from others later in the time but it can be an advanced version of them in 19th century times.Moreover similar clothes existed in Byzantine times like the tunica

so you can now agree

Greeks in Byzantine times
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...6d/Byzfres.gif
Greek revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Epanastasi.jpg
Greek armatolos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Armatolos-haag.jpg
Greeks against Turks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vasilika.jpg
Greeks in the 19th century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:D...thens-1839.jpg
Greek euzones
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_postcard.jpg

as for balkanization,even Romanians have similar tradition
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...7d/Calusar.jpg

Bulgarians
http://www.omda.bg/images_more/Ethno...ich_region.jpg

p.s. there is no modern historician a serious one at least who accepts that you are descendants of the Illyrians or the Pelasgians.So you may stop talking about them as your ancestors.

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by boreans79

You are definitaly wrong.

anyway after looking to an Albanian forum I came to this

"That the original inhabitants of Britain danced--that the Picts, Danes, Saxons and Romans danced may be taken for granted, but there seems little doubt that our earliest illustrations of dancing were of the Roman tradition. We find the attitude, the instruments and the clapping of hands, all of the same undoubted classic character. Tacitus informs us that the Teutonic youths danced, with swords and spears, and Olaus Magnus that the Goths, &c., had military dances: still the military dances in English MSS. (figs. 31, 32) seem more like those of a Pyrrhic character, which Julius Caesar, the conqueror of England, introduced into Rome. The illustration (fig. 29) of what is probably a Saxon gleemen's dance shows us the kind of amusement they afforded and how they followed classic usages."

http://www.albanian.com/community/vb...t=14188&page=7

well indeed your dance might have some Celtic or Roman or Gothic origin in it.Celts and Goths lived in modern day Albania and may have passed their culture.So it may not be a Greek loan into Albania but a Celtic one.Anyway there is not reference to any Albanian in B.C times only in some regions in Caucasus.And Illyrians according modern scholars were totally different from you.

Moreover and more probably your dance might be a Turkic one since as we all know you were one with the turks in ottoman times,their influence to you was huge, adopting their culture and religion and helping them in their atrocities.Your language has many Turkic words.
http://www.kilic-kalkan.com/

YouTube - sword shield k?l?ç kalkan " title="YouTube - sword shield k?l?ç kalkan" target="_blank">YouTube - sword shield k?l?ç kalkan

YouTube - k?l?c kalkan " title="YouTube - k?l?c kalkan" target="_blank">YouTube - k?l?c kalkan

http://turkiyeyikesfet.tv/page.php?s...=/Kilic+Kalkan

anyway it is silly to connect your dance to the ancient Pyrrhic because there is a huge time gap between them and moreover every nation has its own.As you saw the Celts and the Goths had similar and even the Turks do have some of their own.

Traditional Greek sword Dances similar to the ancient Pyrrhic

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[TirAlb]

thanks sniper at least now we know who invented the minifustanella.

[Christov]

Originally Posted by Sniper

so what?do you know what balkanization is?you think that you didn't adopted foreign culture?

I like this

[Truth Bearer]

The Ghegs have a Celtic mix they don't look like their fellow countrymen Tosks.......

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

thanks sniper at least now we know who invented the minifustanella.

is that the most clever you can say?or it is because you do not know the specific dress?Are you that pathetic that your irony touches things like this?LOL
Just to know the dress of the photo describes no the Greek ones but the Janissary ones which were adopted by the Turks.This customs which is yearly in the town in Naousa describes the fights of the Greeks against the Janissaries.

[Sniper]

in wiki I found this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fustanella

ancient Greek origin

One claim of an ancient link to the modern fustanella involves an ancient statue dated from the 3rd century BCE in Kerameikon (a part of Athens to the northwest of the Acropolis). Another claim involves a small figure from the 5th century BCE in Slovenia.[1] Another one was found in the outskirts of the ancient Greek city of Epidamnus (modern Durrës, Albania).[2] Yet another claim involves the statue carved in a niche in the Cave of Archedemos the Nympholept, near Mount Hymettus in Athens, which statue wears a fustanella-like garment and has been dated to c. 500 BCE. Archedemos, although living in Athens, came from the Spartan colony of Thera. This is why he carved himself wearing the Dorian tunic. The Dorian tunic was also a garment of Kouretes.

so there is a possibility of ancient Greek roots.

aromanian origin

Another theory is that this type of garment was brought from the territory comprising modern Romania, by the Aromanians (see Romania in the Dark Ages), although there is no documented evidence of a migration of Latin speaking populations from the territory of present-day Romania to the western Balkans. The etymology could also be explained in this way: in Romanian, fuşte means "lance"/"wooden baton", from Latin fustis. A diminutive of it is fus, meaning spindle. Hence, fusta means a fabric made using a fus. The -ela termination is a typical Romanian ending of diminutives, in this case of the Romanian fustă, meaning skirt.

[helinasson]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

thanks sniper at least now we know who invented the minifustanella.

Your sarcastic eh? what do you know?