Provocation: Albanian new passport bridge of ARTA ???

[Morphesau]

The new Albanian passports present the bridge of Arta

Greek Minister Georgios Karatzaferis from Party Laos and
Mr. Aivaliotis Greek Deputy Minister of Defence have the same claims that the new Albanian passport that they have also the initial EU (European Union).presenting indeed and photocopy of the Albanian passports and asking if the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs Dora Bakogianni has advanced in some step.Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs declared ignorance and she promised she investigates the subject.

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Το γιοφύρι της Αρτας στα νέα αλβανικά διαβατήρια

Τα νέα αλβανικά διαβατήρια παρουσιάζουν το γεφύρι της Αρτας στο υδατογράφημα που έχουν, ενώ περιέχουν και τα αρχικά EU (European Union). Αυτό τουλάχιστον ισχυρίζεται με ερώτησή του προς την υπουργό Εξωτερικών Ντόρα Μπακογιάννη ο πρόεδρος του ΛΑΟΣ Γ. Καρατζαφέρης.
Το ίδιο θέμα έθεσε και στην επιτροπή Εξωτερικών και Αμυνας ο βουλευτής του κόμματος Κ. Αϊβαλιώτης, παρουσιάζοντας μάλιστα και φωτοτυπία των διαβατηρίων και ρωτώντας αν το υπουργείο Εξωτερικών έχει προχωρήσει σε κάποιο διάβημα. Η παριστάμενη υπουργός Εξωτερικών Ντόρα Μπακογιάννη δήλωσε άγνοια και υποσχέθηκε να διερευνήσει το θέμα.

http://hellenicrevenge.blogspot.com/...g-post_07.html

In case anyone doesn't know where Arta is look here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arta,_Greece

[Grace]

What does this mean? The Albanian passports has the bridge of Arta?
If so, what % of Arta (and Preveza) was Albanian when Greek got it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfsyz...eature=related

Here's an Albanian song: Janines ci pane syte (What did Janina's eyes see)
I think Greeks call it Ioannina.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQt57...eature=related (Song for Ali Pashe Tepelena)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXnHQ...eature=related (Tears and nostalgia for Chameria)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL6ZW...eature=related ('...50 years we haven't see you...our hearts for you cry')

While Albanians are growing in numbers I doubt they're a threat to Arta, for now they just want Albanians back in their lands, Chameria, or take every single Greek from Albania so the Chams can get their property. Oh, and stop inciting the Himariotes and trying to hellenize, since this EU will work against Greece. All Albanians will be in it (MK, Kosova, Al) within a decade so the $$ power will balance. Population wise, we will be close enough soon, and Turkey will send 1-2 million workers to Greece within a week. Already 1+ mill are Albanians, Pakistanis, Nigerians, Iraqis etc etc.
Turkey will own you with population alone. Many of them are Albanians sent by you to Turkey who will love to get their lands back...where you only have 350,000 people in the entire 'Southern Epirus.'

Albanians are very patient, just ask Serbs

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by Grace

All Albanians will be in it (MK, Kosova, Al) within a decade so the $$ power will balance.

Even in 30-40 years i can't see that happens.It's very naive to believe that entering EU all your economical problems will be solved or that you'll become rich with EU's money.

Originally Posted by Grace

Population wise, we will be close enough soon, and Turkey will send 1-2 million workers to Greece within a week. Already 1+ mill are Albanians, Pakistanis, Nigerians, Iraqis etc etc.
Turkey will own you with population alone. Many of them are Albanians sent by you to Turkey who will love to get their lands back...where you only have 350,000 people in the entire 'Southern Epirus.'

....and then you suddenly awoke,looked at the clock and shouted:Oh my God,it's already 8:30,i'll be late!So you rely on Turkey's entrance in EU your dreams about the destruction of Greece,eh?That's even more naive because i can assure you that Turkey will never enter in EU,at least under the current conditions.And you know who are the ones that don't want to hear nothing about Turkey's entrance in EU.Not Greece,but Germany,France,Britain,Sweden
,Holland e.t.c for the same reason that you described above.Do you think that all these countries would like to increase their unemployment rate from 8-9% to 13-14% <importing> some millions of Turks?Or they haven't already enough problems with their multicultural societies and they are eager to add some more,allowing the settlement of some million Muslims from Anatolia totally irrelevant to the western culture and therefore non assimilable ?

Originally Posted by Grace

Albanians are very patient, just ask Serbs

You're trying to compare incomparable situations,a real fact with an imaginary or potential reality,but in case this <virtual reality> would ever become true,i remind you that Greeks aren't so good hosts to those who are coming with bad intensions.Just ask the Italians.

[Kiril Evangelovski]

It's been shown in various places that it is another bridge and not the Arta one. I can't post links yet but it's not too difficult to discover. LAOS engages in its usual silly tactics but admittedly there are quite a few Albanians sharing Grace's nationalistic wet dreams, some of them in positions of power. It's no wonder the average Greek is very averse to the idea of giving citizenship or even permanent residency to the children of Albanian (formerly illegal) immigrants born and raised in Greece, even if they appear to be very assimilated to avoid empowering people like Grace. It is a pity because many of these kids deserve better.

[Mygdonia]

Grace you are really annoying.

I seriously doubt you believe half the bullshit you post. If you do then you need help; as you come across as a complete idiot.

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by Grace

What does this mean? The Albanian passports has the bridge of Arta?
If so, what % of Arta (and Preveza) was Albanian when Greek got it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfsyz...eature=related

Yawn....

Read.

Greeks were in the majority.

Here's an Albanian song: Janines ci pane syte (What did Janina's eyes see)
I think Greeks call it Ioannina.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQt57...eature=related (Song for Ali Pashe Tepelena)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXnHQ...eature=related (Tears and nostalgia for Chameria)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL6ZW...eature=related ('...50 years we haven't see you...our hearts for you cry')

Nice songs, I actually like Albanian music.

Now some Epirote songs many are from of your country too!

http://www.gtc-music1.com/pro_upload...khostafylo.m4a

http://www.gtc-music1.com/pro_upload...KOSGAMOS_1.wmv


http://www.gtc-music1.com/pro_upload...stanella02.wmv

http://www.gtc-music1.com/pro_upload.../01Kleftes.mp3

http://www.gtc-music1.com/pro_upload...EtZalizome.mp3

This song is from Berati
http://www.gtc-music1.com/pro_upload...s/03Berati.mp3

This song is from Delvino
http://www.gtc-music1.com/pro_upload...aneXenitia.mp3

This song is title Deripolitissa
http://www.gtc-music1.com/pro_upload...epolitissa.mp3


Ipeiros Association Dance - Adelaide

http://www.gtc-music1.com/pro_upload...rosDance_1.wmv

A nice video of an old Epirote singing a miroloioi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3lv...eature=related

Epirote wedding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfTqAsACVgM

and here is a Greek festival in Dropoli in Albania
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaJXm0O-LPY

another one from the village of Sofratika in Albania
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYjWp...eature=related

and from Dervitsani in Albania
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZGXg...eature=related


From the town of Grapsi in Albania

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bkaJ...eature=related

and from the Association of Young "Northern Epirotes" in Athens at a dance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBK1p...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVCfs...eature=related

While Albanians are growing in numbers I doubt they're a threat to Arta, for now they just want Albanians back in their lands, Chameria, or take every single Greek from Albania so the Chams can get their property.

No traitors to the country will be allowed back The Chams would still have been in Greece if they did not side with the Nazis in WWII

Oh, and stop inciting the Himariotes and trying to hellenize, since this EU will work against Greece.

Why would Greece try to "Hellenize" someone who already considers themselves Hellenic

All Albanians will be in it (MK, Kosova, Al) within a decade so the $$ power will balance. Population wise, we will be close enough soon, and Turkey will send 1-2 million workers to Greece within a week. Already 1+ mill are Albanians, Pakistanis, Nigerians, Iraqis etc etc.
Turkey will own you with population alone. Many of them are Albanians sent by you to Turkey who will love to get their lands back...

I guess we will just have to "Hellenize" them all

where you only have 350,000 people in the entire 'Southern Epirus.'

Don't forget hundreds of thousands of Epirotes who now live in Thessaloniki, and especially Athens, plus the once in Germany, Canada, America, Australia...

Albanians are very patient, just ask Serbs

You mean you were patient in waiting for US and NATO help since the Serbs were damn close in destroying the Albanians in Kosovo.

[kostas68]

I think this is the bigest Albanian provocation of all the times:Aristos the Albo!!!!

[chicagogeorge]

That's the funniest shit!

I would LOVE to see who this lame brain is citing in #20!

[Grace]

Originally Posted by kostas68

Even in 30-40 years i can't see that happens.It's very naive to believe that entering EU all your economical problems will be solved or that you'll become rich with EU's money.

I am not naive, but Romania, Bulgaria and most Eastern E had plenty of troubles. Let's be honest, before EU Greece was much poorer as well, thus the Greek immigrants all over the world.

Fyrom will enter to keep the country together. Albs were promised that, and that's they are not trying to secede. I think we can agree that EU /US want them to stay as one, Greek objections non-withstanding. A solution to the name will be found and even now FYROM is not doing thatbad, it still has a GDP of $7600 /pp and a very friendly business climate.

Kosova is poor but EU has them under their wing and is rebuilding their economy from scratch. If everyone else enters in its own merit, they will bend the rules and throw a few crumbs to the Kosovars, plus they have an amazingly young population ready to work for cheap in Kosova.

Albania will enter in its own merit by 2015. The economy has been growing by 5-6% for quite a few years, and the inflation is in check, despite having a horrible government. Power and infrastructure will add a point to the GDP and as the gray economy counts, Albania will have plenty more money for improvements. Albania will be the next new destination and most of the coast will be left sparsely developed to attract high rollers. Once beachfront Albanian homes and apartments start selling, Albania will be the next Croatia or Spain or Greece. A little EU money, and most importantly direction and we're rolling. You have to admit that Albania too has a beautiful coastline and place full tourist destinations (not as good as Greece, but pretty good compared to others)

All the Balkans countries left out, together equal one Romania. One more push and all are in.

You're trying to compare incomparable situations,a real fact with an imaginary or potential reality,but in case this <virtual reality> would ever become true,i remind you that Greeks aren't so good hosts to those who are coming with bad intensions.Just ask the Italians.

About Turkey, I have to wonder too if they will ever let in, but then it is the link to Asia and they are already NATO members. They border all the troubled ME countries so EU wants them on their side. Officially, IIRC, Greece supports them too. Regarding unemployment rate: Italy, Greece, US, Germany etc needs poorer countries anyway. Who is taking care of old people in Italy? Who is picking your olives? Who built the stadiums for the Olympics? So if they watch the borders a bit more, the Balkans countries can replace the illegal ones, and EU gains stability and one more market.

Turkey is a monster population wise and that is the problem for EU. 5 Million Turks is nothing for Turkey, but can clog EU (especially Bulgaria and Greece) Economically they are more ready than most, but then there is the culture, religion and freedom aspect for EU. You got to share the "Western values," or else...

As for the other comments: No one is seeking destruction of anyone, frankly it is Greece that still a war law in force with Albania and that has invented the Vorio Epirus issue, and supports it officially (pensions, passports and via the Church.) The Chams issue is a no brainer: Albania has not thrown out Greeks and taken their land with no compensation. We know why you did it too, excuses aside. What's fair is fair: mistakes need to be rectified.

For the rest of the comments, I wish Greeks would treat Albanians better and as a partner. There is plenty of land in the Balkans and thank God Albanians do multiply so there is no need to panic. I just find some slurs, and condescending attitude (not much in this site here to be honest) towards Albanians funny, and I think many people will have to learn to accept that things are changing. Everyone has had a helping hand at some point, and Albanians are finally getting some help.

Can we agree that Italy had a horrible, horrible, horrible military in WWII? Plus, Turks if they come will not be coming with rifles, just wives

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

That's the funniest shit!

I would LOVE to see who this lame brain is citing in #20!

It's a citation to Roser Wilder Lane's book where this Albanian tale was originally mentioned.