Mirande Vickers: The Cham Issue – Where to Now?

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Draco

How "still a genocide"? There is no evidence of genocide. It was a time when people were killing each other because of their political beliefs regardless of ethnicity.

There are no Chams in Greece,Draco thats the evidence,you completely erased an entire population.

[Draco]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

There are no Chams in Greece,Draco thats the evidence,you completely erased an entire population.

However only a tiny fraction of the Chams in "Chameria" died, the rest are alive and well. This sounds more like run-of-the-mill ethnic cleansing than genocide.

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Draco

However only a tiny fraction of the Chams in "Chameria" died, the rest are alive and well. This sounds more like run-of-the-mill ethnic cleansing than genocide.

Do you want me to paste again the definition of genocide?At least 5000 were killed,and that's not a tiny fraction,even 1000 is not.

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

So they should have sided with Greece and not the Nazis.

Yeah the beloved mother Greece that shiped them to Turkey,on every occasion,expropriated their land,and gave them schools in Turkish.

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Yeah the beloved mother Greece that shiped them to Turkey,on every occasion,expropriated their land,and gave them schools in Turkish.

Read last sentence second paragraph



and

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

Read last sentence second paragraph



and

From your own quote:




So Chams were Nazis,or Commies?

[Draco]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Do you want me to paste again the definition of genocide?At least 5000 were killed,and that's not a tiny fraction,even 1000 is not.

Please do, read it yourself again carefully. You should understand the distinction between ethnic cleansing and genocide. There would only have been a genocide if the vital element, an intention to kill all the Chams (ethnic minority) in Greece (regardless of whether they succeeded or not), existed. As far as I can see, it was more about expelling them than killing them. In the absence of that vital element (and evidence of it), it is ethnic cleansing, not genocide.

To be honest, I don't even consider it ethnic cleansing. I consider it the implementation of justice on war criminals regardless of ethnicity.

Thankfully, the world at large does not buy this Albanian bullcrap about a "genocide". Even St Miranda doesn't buy it.

[Grace]

write a check Greeks, we know why you did it. Albania can accuse all Greeks in Albania of being Nazi supporters and threw them out, but that doesn't make it right nor so. Also, it's obvious they weren't treated as citizens, long before the Nazis showed up.

Write a nice check...stop paying pensions to Albanians for being "Greek" and you have enough money to pay the rightful owners.

[Tsontos]

Originally Posted by Grace

write a check Greeks, we know why you did it. Albania can accuse all Greeks in Albania of being Nazi supporters and threw them out, but that doesn't make it right nor so. Also, it's obvious they weren't treated as citizens, long before the Nazis showed up.

Write a nice check...stop paying pensions to Albanians for being "Greek" and you have enough money to pay the rightful owners.

Will USD $360 billion do?

You sound like the neice or daughter of some disenfranchised Cham Grace, how about you give me your paypal email and I can put this right.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Grace

write a check Greeks, we know why you did it. Albania can accuse all Greeks in Albania of being Nazi supporters and threw them out, but that doesn't make it right nor so. Also, it's obvious they weren't treated as citizens, long before the Nazis showed up.

Now thats bold.. ever heard of SS.Skanderbeg or didn't they teach you that one ?

Write a nice check...stop paying pensions to Albanians for being "Greek" and you have enough money to pay the rightful owners.

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Stop paying pensions???

By simply stating the fact that the first Albanian immigrants arrived in the early 90's, we conclude, that they aren't even eligible to receive pension, but even if they were.. you propose we don't pay hard earned money to Albanian immigrants that earned the right to a pension, yet give it to the descendants of traitors (ethnic Albanians or not, they were citizens of the Hellenic Republic) that sided with the invading Nazi in an attempt to undermine the nation's borders?