Himara in 1854

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Thats ugly and is the proof of what the power of money can do.Do you really think that this is the first time i see those videos.These are post 90s songs,you pay them,they make songs for youm,thats all.

The only thing that is proved is the power of your stubborness and it's not a surprise for me since i know very well that your people is famous for this.But i am also very stubborn,you see it's not only your people's privilege and i'll find soon an evidence that these are traditional Himariot songs.I remember that i've heard 25 years ago for first time Epirotan polyphonic songs from Greek TV.

Originally Posted by TirAlb

So in Albania there are only Albanian Muslims,Greeks and Latins?Eh kostas things are more clear now,thanks for doing that for me.

Although i must admit that i begin to admire your ability to falsificate every irrefutable evidence(i think that even Scopians like Piperkata couldn't be compared with you) he makes a clear distinction between Greek christians and Albanian christians of the Greek church in the above paragraph.

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Is not what i understood,he is traveling through Albania btw.

You understand whatever you want understand.

[TirAlb]

Italian villages founded by himariots: around 1700

http://www.provincia.pescara.it/inde...o=comune&id=35
[quote]
a quote from the article
La comunità è composta dai discendenti degli albanesi che, partiti dai loro villaggi di Piqeràs, Lukòva, Shen Vasìli, Klikùrsi, Nivizza e Corfù della regione di Himara,QUOTE]

The comunity is made of Albanian discendents,that came from their villages of Piqeras,Lukova,Shen vasili,Klikursi,Nivizza and Corfu,in the region of Himara...

http://www.villabadessa.org/


they speak a form of Albanian even today.

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Italian villages founded by himariots: around 1700

http://www.provincia.pescara.it/inde...o=comune&id=35

a quote from the article
La comunità è composta dai discendenti degli albanesi che, partiti dai loro villaggi di Piqeràs, Lukòva, Shen Vasìli, Klikùrsi, Nivizza e Corfù della regione di Himara

The comunity is made of Albanian discendents,that came from their villages of Piqeras,Lukova,Shen vasili,Klikursi,Nivizza and Corfu,in the region of Himara...

http://www.villabadessa.org/


they speak a form of Albanian even today.

Off course there are in Himara these Albanian villages,but there are also the Greek villages Dradjates,Dukades,Drymades,Vouno,Palasa,Pilieri,Ph iniki e.t.c.

[Draco]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

The comunity is made of Albanian discendents,that came from their villages of [...] Corfu

So Corfu is Albanian now as well?

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Draco

So Corfu is Albanian now as well?

For sure there was an Himariot,community in Korfu.After every Turkish military campaign in the region Korfu or Italy were places were they usually took refuge.

[gmellos]

Originally Posted by Draco

So Corfu is Albanian now as well?

come on man you should know by now the Albanians claim everything in Greece is their's originally and will be again!

[kostas68]

Look at this,TirAlb,what it writes about the polyphonic songs:
http://books.google.gr/books?id=d0vZ...M1U8#PPA356,M1
<Neither of the polyphonic textures characteristic of south Albanian singing is unique to Albanians.The Lab style is shared with Greeks in the northwestern district of Epirus...>
Off course it mentions the Greek south Epirus but i will find soon something about Himara.

[kostas68]

Some more quotes about polyphonic songs.
<The folk mucic of Epirus(Ipiros) exhibits strong connections with that of Northern Epirus (Now Albania) and the former Yougoslav Republic of Macedonia,particularly in the polyphonic pieces sung by both men and women>,from <World music:the rough guide> by Simon Broughton,Mark Ellingham,Richard Trillo,published in 1999
http://books.google.gr/books?id=gyiT...u4t0#PPA127,M1
From <Volksmusik Südosteuropas:Beiträge zur Volkskunde> by Walther Wunsch,published in 1964:

It's in this link:
http://books.google.gr/books?lr=&id=...yphonic&pgis=1
From <The New Oxford Companion to Music: Volume 1: A-J> by Denis Arnold,published in 1983:

And the link:
http://books.google.gr/books?lr=&id=...=Epirus&pgis=1

[TirAlb]

http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/in...topic=mp&cp=AL

Kostas that's what UNESCO and the whole word thinks about this kind of polyphony called: Albanian Folk Iso-polyphony.
If some neighboring Greek or Fyromian villages sing in the same way,the whole south Albania does,good for them,it means that they are doing good Albanian music.

If you want to know more about it,just make a quick search on google or you tube,i bet the only non Albanian results you will find are the above Wanabe Greek Himariots,or some equivocal quotes saying like always that Albanian polyphony like everything else in the Balkans is just regional and not national,without citing any fact to back their statement.And even it is regional it means that it is an Albanian regional phenomenon.

[Draco]

There are some sound files here of singing like that from Greece in Vlach, Greek and Arvanitika.