Aetolians and Acarnanians call themselves Skipetaris (Split Thread)

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Andrew;72514]Strabo (7,7,327):



So Macedonians and Epeirotans spoke the same language and among them there were some hellenized Illyrians (bilinguals)

Haha , stand to the Greek claims , the Macedons spoke Attic and Epirotans Doric ! But if you want to see it in diffrent ways , Is the Epirotan-Macedon language not the Greek one !

Titus Livius (31,29,2):



So Macedonians , Epeirotans , Aetolians and Acarnanians spoke the same language ...what was that ?? ..oo lets see didn't the Aetolians fought on the trojan war as Greeks ? (Iliad II 638-44):

Pouqueville,1762, Aetolians and Acarnanians call themselves Skipetaris and call Aetolia-Acarnania Skiperia !

And who made the albanians (Gegs or Tosks) Illyrians ...The Albanian language is a Satem IE and the Illyrian (what's left of it) orientates scholars to a centum IE one. I think that the Albanians are of Thraco-Dacian (Satem)descent that came to the Illyrian region in late antiquity.

Ancient country, northwestern Balkan Peninsula, southeastern Europe.

It was inhabited from the 10th century BC by the Illyrians, an Indo-European people who later practiced piracy on Roman shipping. After a series of wars with Rome, it was defeated in 168 BC and established as the Roman province of Illyricum. When the Roman Empire was divided in AD 395, Illyria east of the Drina River became part of the Eastern Empire. It was occupied by the Slavs from the 6th century, and its name changed in the 8th–11th centuries to Arbëri and finally to Albania.

[Andrew]

As a matter of fact before changing to the Attic koine ..even the Macedonians spoke a North Western Greek dialect (Doric you say) ...watch the Pella curse table (katadesmos).

Don't mess the post medioeval Skipetars with Greeks and Ancients

Aboyt Illyrians changed to Albanians after 800 AD ....I must say to you that Poliybius names a city Arbon ...and Claudius Ptolemeus a city Albanopolis. They lived in late antiquity so there was one tribe in the region of Illyricum (not all the Illyrians) that was named Albanians ...but Seriusly ..the origin of the albanians is Thraco-Dacian (try to search why they are Satem speakers) and watch the Centum-Satem isoglosses. It's the same thing with the ancient Dardanians ..most scholars say they were a Thracian tribe (Satem speakers) dwelling among the Illyrian tribes ..and later uniting the Illyrian tribes (under Bardylis). There Albanian-Illyrian connection is very tenuus peace lover ...the only two connections I've found is the Territory (Albania is ancient SOUTH Illyria) and the use of Illyrian names among Albanians , but I've met Albanians named Artur , Elvis , Herly and that doesn't make them Anglo-americans ..no ??

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Originally Posted by Andrew

As a matter of fact before changing to the Attic koine ..even the Macedonians spoke a North Western Greek dialect (Doric you say) ...watch the Pella curse table (katadesmos).

Don't mess the post medioeval Skipetars with Greeks and Ancients

Aboyt Illyrians changed to Albanians after 800 AD ....I must say to you that Poliybius names a city Arbon ...and Claudius Ptolemeus a city Albanopolis. They lived in late antiquity so there was one tribe in the region of Illyricum (not all the Illyrians) that was named Albanians ...but Seriusly ..the origin of the albanians is Thraco-Dacian (try to search why they are Satem speakers) and watch the Centum-Satem isoglosses. It's the same thing with the ancient Dardanians ..most scholars say they were a Thracian tribe (Satem speakers) dwelling among the Illyrian tribes ..and later uniting the Illyrian tribes (under Bardylis). There Albanian-Illyrian connection is very tenuus peace lover ...the only two connections I've found is the Territory (Albania is ancient SOUTH Illyria) and the use of Illyrian names among Albanians , but I've met Albanians named Artur , Elvis , Herly and that doesn't make them Anglo-americans ..no ??

1- The Thracians were fully Hellenized , don't offend the Greek history !
2- The Dacians , Moesians and Pannonians were latinized !
3- From the Illyrians only the coastal Dalmatians get latinization !
4- The rest of the Illyrians were sterminated by the Slavs , appart the southern part of them who was saved by the Byzantine Empire . Those people was mentioned for the last time in the VII cent. A.C. in " Miracula Sancti Demetri " as " Illirii Propie Dicti " , " Real Illyrians , ethnic Illyrians " . They were described as innhabitants of the Sothern Illyricum , modern Albania and Kosova !
5- The Serbo-Croates arrive in the Balkans in the VI cent. A.C. but they was not mentioned like Illyrians in the VII. cent A.C. !
Most in " Miracula Sancti Demetri " not only they were not mentioned as Illyrians but the southern part of those " Real Illyrians " was described in this way because they were Illyrians not only for name but for cultural , linguistic continuity !
6- Thracians , Illyrians or Macedons never get Inferior )(cultural/historical) Slavization ! This is only a stupid Bulgarian invetion to take Macedonia(real,Greece) !
7- The Thracian languages are : Moesian , Dacian , Thracian , Bythinian and Phrygian !
8- The Albanians couldn't speak a Thracian language because in Albanian " bythë " or " vithë " means " ass " !
" Mëzë " means " foal " !
" Dak " (dialectal/Geg) means " loser " !
" Tra " means " bar(noun) " , " The Barers " ?
But the Phrygian language :
a) Stand to the ancient Greek historians a part of the Bryges(Brygoi) move from central Thrace to Asia and change name to Phrygians !
b) " Bri " in Albanian means " horn " , typical rapresentation of the barbarians !
c) " Frynë " means " blow " , most Phrygia is described like " land of the winds " !
d) Also after the Roman occupation of Haemus the Bryges move to central Albania near the Albanoi/Arbanitai Illyrian tribe !
e) In " Miracula Sancti Demetri " they are described as Illyrians !!
9- The Albanian language could be related only with the Phrygian one , " bukë " ~ " bekos " or " at " ~ " atheios " etc.
10- The Real Illyrians get some isoglosses and some other linguistical influences by the Phrygian tribe tribe called Brygoi !
11- Now you understand why the Venetians call the coasts of Montenegro " Albania Veneta " !
12- Or the Venetian document in Dalmatia " I hear a sound crying in Albanian language " !
13- The Albanians in Venice were called Illyrians !
14- In latin language Albanian is said " Epirotarum " !
15- Albanian language is said " Epiroticum " !
16- Dictionarum Latinium - Epiroticum " Albanian - Latin dictionary " .
17- Albanian is simmilair to the Celto-Germanic languages , exmp. Welsh : " Coch " with the Albanian " Kuq , kuç(Geg) " means Red . Or Old Irish : " Drisa " , Albanian : " Drizë , driza " , is a kind of plant etc.
18- German " Land " , Albanian " Vend " ; German " Burg " , Castle / with the Albanian " Burg " Jail ! English " ruin " , Albanian " rrënon " etc. !
19- The Celtophone Scots call themselves Albans !
20- The Greek name of Brittania was Albion !
21- In the Virgil hymn of Rome he claim Romans of Alban origins !
22- Illyrians , " I lirë , i lir or ilir " : " Free " !
23- More easy , just go in Google or Yahoo and click " Illyrians " !

[Andrew]

Kid ..I never said Serbians are Illyrians ..I'm talking about the area Glasinac in today Bosnia-Herzegovina ...open a history book

And about the Phrygians they wern't a Thracian tribe ....They brought the Lausitz culture in the Balkans during the 1200 BC....but Lausitz is a region in the German-Polish limits.

And intstead giving me all the crap ..try answering my simple question:
Why is albanian language a Satem indoeuropean one ??? And why do the Greek and Italian languages are Centum ones ??

If you want to continue the conversation all right , but first give me this two answers little boy !

[Peace Lover]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Kid ..I never said Serbians are Illyrians ..I'm talking about the area Glasinac in today Bosnia-Herzegovina ...open a history book

And about the Phrygians they wern't a Thracian tribe ....They brought the Lausitz culture in the Balkans during the 1200 BC....but Lausitz is a region in the German-Polish limits.

And intstead giving me all the crap ..try answering my simple question:
Why is albanian language a Satem indoeuropean one ??? And why do the Greek and Italian languages are Centum ones ??

If you want to continue the conversation all right , but first give me this two answers little boy !

In Albanian " hundred " is said " qind " or " one hundred " njëqind " !
English/German : Hundred ,
Latin : Centum ,
Italian : Cento ,
Albanian : Qind !
How is said in Romaic ?
Satamos ?