Epiroticum in latin means Albanian language (split thread)

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Draco

A fatria is a clan.

Do you know what this Epirotam fatria of Isam Leskoviku is?

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Kostas theres no need to deny everything,during medieval times Albania and Epirote was pratically the same thing.

Tell me one thing only:According to you,are there any Greeks who aren't descending from Albanians?

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Do you know what this Epirotam fatria of Isam Leskoviku is?

Isam from Leskoviki was the first Epirote to convert to Islam, those that followed his example were titled "karamourates" (from the Sultan Murat's name)

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by kostas68

Tell me one thing only:According to you,are there any Greeks who aren't descending from Albanians?

You keep claiming things that i never said.But yes i think that a good part of modern greeks have at least a mixed Albanian/Greek blood,and what disturbs me is their being anti/albanian.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

But yes i think that a good part of modern greeks have at least a mixed Albanian/Greek blood,and what disturbs me is their being anti/albanian.

If we were to take this claim as an actual possibility, then dear TirAlb, what should actually disturb you, is how you among several other of your compatriots desparately try to find links between yourselves and peope that don't even want to hear of you.

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

If we were to take this claim as an actual possibility, then dear TirAlb, what should actually disturb you, is how you among several other of your compatriots desparately try to find links between yourselves and peope that don't even want to hear of you.

Because we cant just give up a part of our people.

[Draco]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Because we cant just give up a part of our people.

They're not a proper "people" any more, though. Probably 99% of them are pensioners (and even they can't speak the language fluently and none of them can read or write in it). It's almost fallacious nowadays to speak of "Arvanites", it should be "people with some Arvanite ancestry but can't speak Albanian".

Regarding mixed ancestries, do you think there are any Albanians in Albania with Greek ancestry?

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by Draco

Regarding mixed ancestries, do you think there are any Albanians in Albania with Greek ancestry?

What answer do you expect from him?He don't accepts that there are Greeks with real Greek ancestry in Greece,would he ever believe that there are such in Albania?

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Draco

They're not a proper "people" any more, though. Probably 99% of them are pensioners (and even they can't speak the language fluently and none of them can read or write in it). It's almost fallacious nowadays to speak of "Arvanites", it should be "people with some Arvanite ancestry but can't speak Albanian".

I know about their current situation,and im sure that the Arvanites that fought in 1821 would feel pity for them.But still its not a good reason to accept in silence their manipulation.

Regarding mixed ancestries, do you think there are any Albanians in Albania with Greek ancestry?

Yes but,not in a large scale like for Albanians in Greece.

[Draco]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

I know about their current situation,and im sure that the Arvanites that fought in 1921 would feel pity for them.But still its not a good reason to accept in silence their manipulation.

There is no manipulation now. The Arvanites themselves are the largest propagators of Hellenization. As for 1821, I doubt it; they were subjected to persecution by Muslim forces. They detested everything Islamic.

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Yes but,not in a large scale like for Albanians in Greece.

What do you mean a large scale? A larger proportion of Albania has been under Greek influence than of Greece under Albanian influence.