Greek occupation of South Albania.(NYT 1913 article)

[gmellos]

Originally Posted by boreans79

First you called it (Niebhur job) babblings of Barthold Georg Niebuhr,
Then you called it kindergarden level celebration of ignorance of linguistics
Then you admited that the word means (beside other similar meanings) unintelligible

have a cry now..

hi i have a question for you what are the reasons behind you coming here?? besides trolling there MUST a reason!???

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by boreans79

First you called it (Niebhur job) babblings of Barthold Georg Niebuhr,
Then you called it kindergarden level celebration of ignorance of linguistics
Then you admited that the word means (beside other similar meanings) unintelligible

have a cry now..

Child your trolling doesn't work here.. stop nit-picking my posts while intentionally taking them out of context and address the issue with facts!!! Can you provide the exact quote which your so-called "reknowned scholar" is refering to and a translation which would support this drivel ?

Now as for what I said:
a) YES Barthold Georg Niebuhr is totally flawed when claiming that Thucydides used the word "ἀξυνετώτατοι" with the meaning of unintelligible. As I stated before, if you want I can present all 13 total entries of any form of the word in Thucydides' text with the coresponding translation which will prove that he never once used it as he claims.

b) This is either intentionally taken out of context or simply the result of your limited comprehension of simple english. Since its obvious that its the 1st, tell me little one, why resort to presenting a nit-picked version of what I said when in reality, it had nothing to do with the "scholar's" babblings but with your mastrubation in what only you'd title linguistics?

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

OK so after this kindergarden level celebration of ignorance of linguistics we hear that Sicily means "to open your eyes"..

c) the "other" meaning's existance was never rejected but it was its use in the text in question that clearly was.

Now do run along and find me a translation of Thucydides text that has given the "other meaning" to the specific word "ἀξυνετώτατοι".. To assist you in your quest, I'll just mention that the only use of the word "ἀξυνετώτατοι" in the entire text is found in book 6.39.2

[kostas68]

Originally Posted by boreans79

The Greek nation is a victim of an remarkable continues history of lies, of stealing others culture, costumes, traditions, folklore and even language since his creation less than 200 years ago.

Who is trying to steal now his neighbour's history and legacy?Look at the mirror and you'll see him!Listen,i can understand that someone who has nothing admirable or glorious to remember of his past is envying his neighbour's history which is full of these things,but he has not the right to usurp it.If he wants to feel better,then he must leave the past of the others and try to make a better present and future for him.This is something that happens only with Greece and its neighbors,all of them are trying to usurp a part of its history:the <Macedonians>,the Bulgarians,the Albanians the Turks...Is this accidental or it shows something?We have in Greece 2 proverbs about this:<It's better to be envied than pitied>(Herodotos) and :<Nobody is more certain enemy than someone who was benefited>.

Originally Posted by boreans79

You can bet your dream about your white face that you have nothing to do with the tale-people Ancient Hellenes, whose story is written by "Herodotus" & co in 900 AD .

How do you know what was the physical appearance of the ancient Greeks?Did you went back to antiquity with your time machine or have you any photos of them?And as far as i've seen,the Albanians,who are according to you the descendants of the ancient Hellenes,are not famous for their height.

Originally Posted by boreans79

whose story is written by "Herodotus" & co in 900 AD .

Herodotus in 900 A.D. ? Is this a new theory of your <historians>?

Originally Posted by boreans79

As for my "inferiority complex" I have to tell you your xenofoby is the best example of who inferiority belongs to.

Xenophoby in Greece is in the lowest levels between the EU states.
A lot of your compatriots are living and working in Greece and i believe that the vast majority of them hasn't such problems.Off course there can be some exceptions but we can't generalize them.Some problems which occured between Greeks and Albanian immigrants are owing to the fact that amongst the thousand of the Albanian immigrants who came in Greece were some criminals who probably escaped from the Albanian prisons and continued their <career> on Greek soil.I reckognize that the vast majority of the Albanian immigrants in Greece are peaceful people who want just work and make money here,but those few criminals maybe damaged the image of the Albanians in Greece.The Greeks are very hospitable people,but if they are bothered by the attitude of some foreigners who are living in Greece,it's reasonable that they'll react.I'll ask you only this:How would your people react if you had in Albania 200.000-300.000 foreign immigrants and amongst them were 2.000-3.000 criminals who were commiting every week several crimes as thefts,robberies,murders e.t.c. ? How would you feel for those immigrants generally?Nonetheless,my oppinion is that in Greece doesn't exist the problem of xenophoby at the level that exists in other European countries(France,Great Brittany,Germany e.t.c.) and an immigrant in Greece who is looking his job and doesn't bother no one,has nothing to fear.
We have in my village some Albanian families and they haven't any problem here.Their children are playing with our children. Many times my little daughters brought in our house their Albanian school mates and they went also in theirs.If i was a xenophobic and racist,i wouldn't allow this.And,another example of the Greek xenophoby:5 months ago,a house where an Albanian family lived in my village,was burned by an accident.Their whole property,furnitures,clothes,e.t.c. was destroyed and an old Greek woman who lived in the neighbouring house was burned alive by this fire.A week later,our priest collected from the villagers around 3.000 euros
and gave this money to the Albanian family.

Originally Posted by boreans79

Most of them, at least 80-90 % were Arvanites.
Because they beleived they were Hellenes.
Because Albanians dont need to call themselves such name, they belong to a legendary race: ARBERORE, and Hellen is just one branch of it.
The ideas were cultivated from the CHURCH and Fanariotes.

There is no much to comment on such a nationalistic delirium but how did you get that the Greek revolutionist army was consisted exclusively by Arvanites?Ah,yes,there was also a tiny 10-20% of Greeks,thanks a lot for your gentility!Seriously now,Arvanites weren't more than 20%,either you believe it or not.
And the... legendary Arberore,off course weren't the ancestors of the Hellenes!If the ancient Hellenes had such an origin they would never produced the Greek civilization.When the ancient Hellenes built the Parthenon,the Arberore were living in caves and trying to set fire with stones.This is something that makes you feeling inferior and therefore you are trying to usurp their legacy.

Originally Posted by boreans79

Albanians are the only who preserved language and traditions in their natural form far from human intervenations.

Yes this pure and traditional race,the only race in Balkans with ancient origin.Tell me,my friend,the Pelasgians were traditionally moslems?

Originally Posted by boreans79

The "ancient" historians are unable to mention the oldness of Albanians because the history of this race starts long before the birth of the most ancient historian. .

Since when?Maybe they lived in the garden of Edem with Adam and Eva!The historians never write about <nonexistent> people who never made something usefull for mankind.

Originally Posted by boreans79

'katharevousa' a semi-artificial language was never understood by common people. Thats why 20-30 years ago and even nowdays some peasants of Sparta, Athen, Theba, Euboea etc speak only Arvanitika.

Your nationalistic illusions have no limits!

Originally Posted by boreans79

Agim Zeneli is not the author of that work. He just made a resume in his web-page of the works of Europian scholars mostly Germans.

When did those historians live?Maybe at the time of the Nazis and the theories about the Arians?And this Agim Zeneli probably misinterpreted their work

Originally Posted by boreans79

We have fight everywhere, anywhere sometimes for the wrong causa, but if I remember well WE GAVE THE LIBERTY TO THE GREEK LAND.

The allmighty Albanians who liberated other nations but couldn't liberate themselves!

Originally Posted by boreans79

The only thing I regret is the time wasting with you.

The only time you waisted is when you stuffed your brains with all this nationalistic crap,the <history made in Albania>.

Originally Posted by boreans79

Sick propaganda? Look who is talking. You wrote milions of pages, you created milions of web-sites, you spent millions of dollars, millions of hours in the media in the most non-realistic, most chauvinistic and disinformative job and you acuse me and Albanians for making propaganda??
Thats crazy and pathetic.

I tell you only this:If a neutral observer,a respectable historian or scholar will read our posts,whom do you believe that he will accuse for absurd and groundless propaganda?

[boreans79]

Originally Posted by gmellos

hi i have a question for you what are the reasons behind you coming here?? besides trolling there MUST a reason!???

Yeah, good point, coming here is just waste of time.
The forum is all yours , now on flatter each-other, returning in your collective selfhypnotic situation.
All the best all of you .

[gmellos]

Originally Posted by boreans79

Yeah, good point, coming here is just waste of time.
The forum is all yours , now on flatter each-other, returning in your collective selfhypnotic situation.
All the best all of you .

What I was trying to get at was that your intention wasn't to have a debate BUT to fight with some of us and flount your socalled version of the truth behind the history behind our people!?

[bonaqua]

Originally Posted by gmellos

What I was trying to get at was that your intention wasn't to have a debate BUT to fight with some of us and flount your socalled version of the truth behind the history behind our people!?

It is so sad to see that if someone presents his arguments and facts, all of you consider it as flaunt your so called truth, propaganda.... etc. Everything that Greeks present is pure truth, and what Macedonians present is propaganda. This is not fair at all.

[olvios]

Originally Posted by bonaqua

It is so sad to see that if someone presents his arguments and facts, all of you consider it as flaunt your so called truth, propaganda.... etc. Everything that Greeks present is pure truth, and what Macedonians present is propaganda. This is not fair at all.

Life is not fair.And Skopians and Albanians were in communism for a long time.Blame communism.

Slavs have nothing to do with Macedonians who were Greeks.Your "Macedonians" are Bulgarians.

Albanians are unrelated to Ancient Greece and Ancient Greeks,get over it.