The Greek dialect of Epeirotes.

[boreans79]

Originally Posted by olvios

The image from IMAGeSHACK you posted is from another text and not from PHI Greek inscriptions.

Its one of the many(350) inscriptions of Apollonia
http://epigraphy.packhum.org/inscrip...4&subregion=10

That image is not of that text and your other comments illustrate that you are not only an idiot but a nutjob as well.

You lost your mind, but I understand your situation. You are showing me the link that I provided to you in the post 08.29 AM.
By the way which is the meaning of
FIMIA XIYNERON in greek, since they are using the greek letters?

[boreans79]

Also
Show us an image from those 350 inscription in Epirus, just one, and then we will see how greek it is.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by boreans79

Also
Show us an image from those 350 inscription in Epirus, just one, and then we will see how greek it is.

Boreans79 , please expain me one thing ...Why is it so difficult to accept that Epeirus was a land inhabited by rough greeks that lookes like barbarians to some other Greeks???

Don't you deny that you Albanians think the same about "Kosovars" no ...
..rough , uncivilized Albanians isn't it so ???

[olvios]

Off topic,also link and source the image or bugger off.

[boreans79]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Boreans79 , please expain me one thing ...Why is it so difficult to accept that Epeirus was a land inhabited by rough greeks that lookes like barbarians to some other Greeks??????

Its hard for me to define what the term 'Greek' means in ancient time. As far as I know Greeks were called the ARRIAN migration of a momadic tribe represented by the DORIANS and/or HERACLIDES.
The semi-arrian tribes of Ionians and Athenians were NOT Greeks.

also

Its hard for me to find any difference betwen Greeks and Illyrians.

Originally Posted by Andrew

Don't you deny that you Albanians think the same about "Kosovars" no .....rough , uncivilized Albanians isn't it so ???

First '"you albanians" doesnt apply to me.
Second the case of Kosovo is not like Epirus one.
Third Albanians will never claim Greek land.
Forth Albanians are not slavics, they will find the modalities for the CAM issue without hostility unless the Greeks ask for it.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by boreans79

Its hard for me to define what the term 'Greek' means in ancient time. As far as I know Greeks were called the ARRIAN migration of a momadic tribe represented by the DORIANS and/or HERACLIDES.
The semi-arrian tribes of Ionians and Athenians were NOT Greeks.

also

Its hard for me to find any difference betwen Greeks and Illyrians.




First '"you albanians" doesnt apply to me.
Second the case of Kosovo is not like Epirus one.
Third Albanians will never claim Greek land.
Forth Albanians are not slavics, they will find the modalities for the CAM issue without hostility unless the Greeks ask for it.

I neversaid that Albanians are Slavs ...
To define Greeks see Hybridation process happened around 2000BC between the pre-Greeks (AEGIANS like Pelasgian,Cares,Leleges , speakers of Asia Minor languages and creator of the Aegian Culture ..Cycladitic,Minoan..) and
the proto-Greeks (nomad indoeuropean goatherds that brought the sructure of the greek language to greek soil ..and by the way their first station was north Epeirus and western Macedonia).

The Aegians offered the Culture and the Aegian termonology and the Indoeuropeans offered language structure ,polemophily , patriarchal society.
That unique combination , that fertile instance ,is called "hellenogenesis".

[Andrew]

INDOEUROPEAN MIGRATION

1) "Kurgans" are the PALEOINDOEUROPEANS that started from Caucasus and were IE "setum" speakers
2) Before arriving the eastern Danube they gave Scythic and Arrian clusters
3)Passing Danube in his eastern extremity were divided in Centum/Setum speakers
4) Setum speakers in europe were the Thracians , Mysians and Trojans who also went to Asia minor.
5) The Centum Cluster walked to west and near by todays Belgrad gave a firts group ..the ProtoGreeks who finished in south Albania-NorthEpeirus andWestern Macedonia
6)The other centum speakers moved north and the next divisions were made at the recess of the Adriatic Sea among : Proto-Illyrians , Proto-Italians and Proto-Celts.
The Proto-Illyrians settled first in Glasinac (Bosnia-Herzegovina) and then came more south...
..In the mean while the ProtoGreeks had already been fused with the Aegian PreGreeks and the Hellenic race was already formed.
If this image helps ..it is based on the "Kurgan hypothesis" spread of the IE languages.





A little summary of my research till now ..

[Flipper]

Hi Boreans and welcome!

Originally Posted by boreans79

Its hard for me to define what the term 'Greek' means in ancient time.

Grote said that the Olympic games is the start of what Greek means as an ethnic term.

Originally Posted by boreans79

As far as I know Greeks were called the ARRIAN migration of a momadic tribe represented by the DORIANS and/or HERACLIDES.

No, the Dorians are know as the "Return of the Heraklides".

The semi-arrian tribes of Ionians and Athenians were NOT Greeks.

Why did the Athenians call themselves "true Hellenes" then? I know Ionians are autochthonus but that doesn't make them Illyrians (who bordered the Greeks around the 10th century BC). First, you have the proto-Ionic dialect which is together with Arcadocypriot a direct derivation of Mycenaean Greek. Second, the placenames of some Ionian places are clearly Anatolian. Their possesive forms are Luwian/Hittite not to mention words like "melissa", "parnassos", "alas", "thalassa". The grouping of Greek with Armenian and Phrygian is not a coinsidence. If Greeks arrived like Illyrians from the Danube river the Phrygian, Luwian, Armenian, Carian etc connections would not be applicable.

Originally Posted by boreans79

also

Its hard for me to find any difference betwen Greeks and Illyrians.

Because you're not familiar with Archeological terms like Hallstatt. The Illyrians belonged to that material culture but gradually adopted the material culture of Greeks and Thracians.

[Flipper]

Also this will answer most of your questions...


From: Cambridge Ancient History

[Cadmus]

Boreans wrote:

Forth Albanians are not slavics

Can you explain the vast amount of Slavic names for settlements like towns villages etc in Albania..??How come you claim that Albania is not Slavic because they don't speak the language only?
Can you support that with more proof?

Ahmm Flipper the cambridge ancient history book i found that it contains some errors to some extent, example Lychnidos has no Illyrian typical progenitor fot the city..you had Encheleans and Peresadyes and possibly Bryges (all no true Illyrians)inhabiting the areas long before Bardylis and his successors, although it switched hands on Greek/Illyrian occasions.