The Greek dialect of Epeirotes.

[boreans79]

The Messapians(Illyrians)

[boreans79]

All them, in common :
NOT in the greek language.

[Andrew]

So then, in travelling this road from the region of Epidamnus and Apollonia, one has on the right the Epeirotic tribes whose coasts are washed by the Sicilian Sea and extend as far as the Ambracian Gulf,415 and, on the left, the mountains of Illyria

STRABO 7.7.323

1) So Egnatia separates Illyrians by Epeirotans

But some go so far as to call the whole of the country Macedonia, as far as Corcyra, 327at the same time stating as their reason that in tonsure, language, short cloak, and other things of the kind, the usages of the inhabitants are similar,451 although, they add, some speak both languages

STRABO 7.7.327

2) Macedonians and Epeirotans until Corcira spoke the same language and there were bilingual "Hellenized" Illyrians.

Titus Livius (Livy) Ab urbe condita (31.29.2) reminds us :

“Aetolos , Acarnanas , Macedonas , EIUSDEM LINGUAE HOMINES”
“Aetolians , Acarnanians , Macedonians , MEN OF THE SAME LANGUAGE”

3) So Macedonians , Epeirotans , Aetolians and Acarnanians are men of the same language...I wonder what language was that if not greek !!

Also Herodotus in (6.126-127) says :

126. ...Then all those of the Hellenes who had pride either in themselves or in their high descent, came as wooers, and for them Cleisthenes had a running- course and a wrestling-place made and kept them expressly for their use.

127. From Italy came Smindyrides the son of Hippocrates of Sybaris, who of all men on earth reached the highest point of luxury (now Sybaris at this time was in the height of its prosperity), and Damasos of Siris, the son of that Amyris who was called the Wise; these came from Italy: from the Ionian gulf came Amphimnestos the son of Epistrophos of Epidamnos, this man from the Ionian gulf: from Aitolia came Males, the brother of that Titormos who surpassed all the Hellenes in strength and who fled from the presence of men to the furthest extremities of the Aitolian land: from Peloponnesus, Leokedes the son of Pheidon the despot of the Argives, that Pheidon who established for the Peloponnesians the measures which they use, and who went beyond all other Hellenes in wanton insolence, since he removed from their place the presidents of the games appointed by the Eleians and himself presided over the games at Olympia,--his son, I say, and Amiantos the son of Lycurgos an Arcadian from Trapezus, and Laphanes an Azanian from the city of Paios, son of that Euphorion who (according to the story told in Arcadia) received the Dioscuroi as guests in his house and from thenceforth was wont to entertain all men who came, and Onomastos the son of Agaios of Elis; these, I say, came from Peloponnesus itself: from Athens came Megacles the son of that Alcmaion who went to Crœsus, and besides him Hippocleides the son of Tisander, one who surpassed the other Athenians in wealth and in comeliness of form: from Eretria, which at that time was flourishing, came Lysanias, he alone from Eubœa: from Thessalia came Diactorides of Crannon, one of the family of the Scopadai: and from the Molossians, Alcon.

Again all the Hellenes ...among them Molossians , Aetolians ...sorry guys !!!

[olvios]

Originally Posted by boreans79

The Messapians(Illyrians)

Irrelevant posts....

And Messapic is not Albanian and its not even Illyrian.Also Messapians were in Italy .

http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/...++++++++++++++

The Messapic Language

An ancient language of Southeastern Italy, spoken along the Adriatic coast. It was the language of the Apuli, Daunii, Peucetti, Messapi, Calabri and Salentini tribes in the area. Once believed related to Illyrian, it is now recognized to be an independent Indo-European language, unrelated to Italic.

This thread is about a specific thing.The ancient Greek language of the Epirotes.

People like Illyrians,Messapians and Albanians or whatever else are irrelevant.

The Language in Epirus is known and translated and its Ancient Greek.Stop spamming us.

[boreans79]

Originally Posted by olvios

And Messapic is not Albanian and its not even Illyrian.Also Messapians were in Italy .

Are you sure? Perhaps you would change mind after this.



Yes they were in Italy but they migrated from Balcan my dear Pordhios.

[boreans79]

Originally Posted by olvios

The Language in Epirus is known and translated and its Ancient Greek.Stop spamming us.

OK , since you are so sure p.lease tell us what this writting means "translated" in greek;

[olvios]

Boreans i told you to stop Posting Irrelevant stuff.Messapians are not Illyrians and the science of Archeology supersedes ancient texts and your worthless opinion.

And Messapic is not Albanian and its not even Illyrian.Also Messapians were in Italy .

http://linguistlist.org/forms/langs/...++++++++++++++

The Messapic Language

An ancient language of Southeastern Italy, spoken along the Adriatic coast. It was the language of the Apuli, Daunii, Peucetti, Messapi, Calabri and Salentini tribes in the area. Once believed related to Illyrian, it is now recognized to be an independent Indo-European language, unrelated to Italic.

This thread is about a specific thing.The ancient Greek language of the Epirotes.

People like Illyrians,Messapians and Albanians or whatever else are irrelevant.

The Language in Epirus is known and translated and its Ancient Greek.Stop spamming us.

Also provide sources for your images and data.
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/2...ele1997bt5.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/grap.../18/wmap18.jpg
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/2084/gnxep1zn0.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6663/fimiahi6.jpg

Albanians have nothing to little of Ancient Greek in their language whilst Illyrians did.Thus if you continue to mix this with Albanians or Albano-Illyrian theories its off topic.

[boreans79]

Originally Posted by olvios

Messapians are not Illyrians and the science of Archeology supersedes ancient texts and your worthless opinion.

And Messapic is not Albanian and its not even Illyrian.Also Messapians were in Italy .

Albanians have nothing to little of Ancient Greek in their language whilst Illyrians did.Thus if you continue to mix this with Albanians or Albano-Illyrian theories its off topic.

Your orgasmic outburst is a desperate effort to change the flow of the debate.

I never made an attempt to prove ancient greek is albanian.
I did not even tried to prove that Illyrian is Albanian.

The only objection I gave is about the script that helineson brought who was pretending
1. the script was greek and had nothing to do with Albanian.
2. the "greek" letters are property only of the greeks, which is definetely wrong.

[olvios]

Stop posting irrelevant material like the messapians and the such.This is for a specific thing.

[boreans79]

Originally Posted by olvios

And Messapic is not ...... and its not even Illyrian.

I brought you an undeniable evidence, from an ancient author(Nicander), but as usually you dont want to listen.

I will bring you a modern study about the races of Italy.