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Old 09-30-2008, 11:29 PM
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Chicagog. even a Greek account can be unbiased. Whatever orphic or andrew may say, the pro Greek stance of the west is undeniable. Find me please, with your famous "Google book sarch" skills, at least one western article or document supporting the Turkish occupation of the balkans. The problem is that at the time everything was handled or described as a Greek-Turkish thing(epirus) or as a Serbo-Turkish issue(kosovo) and (i repeat) Albanians were always ignored.
In conclusion i doubt there are many reliable accounts from that period.
There's really no need for documents.. all you need to do is a simple search.

Haven't you heard of Abdul Hamid II?
Look into his doings and you'll find that he had the full support of Germany, which sent officers to assist him in his military reforms. You'll even find at about the same time the 1876 Berlin Memorandum, which was "Europe's" reaction to the massive massacres commited in the Balkans (see nickname Read Sultan).. interestingly enough Britain due to its geopolitical interests had rejected it and clearly sided with the Ottomans (see Cyprus, Egypt, Suez) back then.
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Old 10-01-2008, 09:32 AM
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The problem is that at the time everything was handled or described as a Greek-Turkish thing(epirus) or as a Serbo-Turkish issue(kosovo) and (i repeat) Albanians were always ignored.
Check my sources again. Albanians were NOT ignored simply because they WERE mentioned as inhabitants of Epirus. You just don't like the fact that the the documents point out that Greeks were in a majority in Epirus.

Btw, if you look at this book "Frontiers of Language" by Leon Dominion circa 1917, pages 192-203. You will see that their is no bias.

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&...sult#PPA196,M1

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TirAlb,

If there are 20 accounts from 20 different sources telling us the same thing, in you opinion are all 20 false?
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According to Victor Roudomentof the "Majority of Chams collaborated" with Hitler.




How you can call the deportation of a bunch of Nazi collaborators a genocide is beyond me.
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Chicagog. even a Greek account can be unbiased. Whatever orphic or andrew may say, the pro Greek stance of the west is undeniable. Find me please, with your famous "Google book sarch" skills, at least one western article or document supporting the Turkish occupation of the balkans. The problem is that at the time everything was handled or described as a Greek-Turkish thing(epirus) or as a Serbo-Turkish issue(kosovo) and (i repeat) Albanians were always ignored.
In conclusion i doubt there are many reliable accounts from that period.
Well, you seem to forget that Byron also sympathized with the Albanians - and you have quoted him quite a few times on the internet. In any case, the Greek language had been a language of administration and commerce for millenia, while the Albanian language has today a history of 300-400 years at best. You just could not compete, even though you were noticed from the outside world for sure...
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