...utube video about Himara

[olvios]

Albania: From Anarchy to a Balkan IdentityISBN 1850652791,by Miranda Vickers & James Pettifer, 1999,page 190,"When ethnic Greeks were caught attempting to escape to Greece,penalties were severe for the actual offender execution was common and his whole family might be condemned in internal exile for many years usually in the mining camps of northern and central albania"

" under communism, pupils were taught only Albanian history and culture, even in Greek-language classes at the primary level." ,

in 1967 of the campaign by Albania’s communist party,the Albanian Party of Labour (PLA), to eradicate organised religion, a prime target of which was the Orthodox Church.Many churches were damaged or destroyed during this period, and many Greek-language books were banned because of their religious themes or orientation. Yet, as with other communist states, particularly in the Balkans, where measures putatively geared towards the consolidation of political control intersected with the pursuit of national integration, it is often impossible to distinguish sharply between ideological and ethno-cultural bases of repression. This is all the more true in the case of Albania’s anti-religion campaign because it was merely one element in the broader “Ideological and Cultural Revolution” begun by Hoxha in 1966 but whose main features he outlined at the PLA’s Fourth Congress in 1961.

Albania: From Anarchy to a Balkan IdentityISBN 1850652791,by Miranda Vickers & James Pettifer, 1999,page 79,"The attacks on Greeks on Saranda in and 9 february"

Albania: From Anarchy to a Balkan IdentityISBN 1850652791,by Miranda Vickers & James Pettifer, 1999,page 198,"A purge of ethnic Greeks in the professions in Albania continued in 1994, with particular emphasis on the law and the military."

"Under King Zog, the Greek villages suffered considerable repression, including the forcible closure of Greek-language schools in 1933-1934 and the ordering of Greek Orthodox monasteries to accept mentally sick individuals as inmates. "

[Makedonia25]

Originally Posted by Victor

NOrthern Epirus should unilaterally declare independance from Albania.

Well why not? Apparently Greeks are the majority in Northern Epirus, so if Kosovo can do it and get recognised, why not?

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Makedonia25

Well why not? Apparently Greeks are the majority in Northern Epirus, so if Kosovo can do it and get recognised, why not?

Yeah lol 10'000-20'000 greeks are surely the majority,in an area of how many?lets say 1.5 milion albanians.

[akritas]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

Yeah lol 10'000-20'000 greeks are surely the majority,in an area of how many?lets say 1.5 milion albanians.

Calm down TirAlb. Greek minority in Albanian estimated at least in 250.000 people included and those that immigrated in Greece. Albania authorities even they try to change the demography in the region by the settlement of North Albanians they failed because...

-The Greek investments
-The peacfully coorparation of the South Albanians with the remaning Greek element
-Most of them immigrated in Italy(primary).

20.000 people are only in Himara!!!

[Hermes]

This Miranda V. may be has right, but no one in Himara say that s.mone had changed their surname. Also they had those surnames before Comunisem. I had seen land documents ( called Tapi ) of year 1926 with such surnames. Strange that the writer know it and Himara people not. Booo...may be exsist any document about it, but i'm sure not. The prove of this are the several defters where is wrote each head family name and surname.

There too much " Illyrians " in Himara boys, u cant say all those had been obligated to change surname.
Now, watching it in a point of view : if there are so much Ilyrians, and there are some other orthodox, we simply can thjink it. They are orthodox and its normal that to their children they put orthodox names....if there are too many houses of the same surname ( that compone the FARA ) someone in a way or an other take as surname the name ( orthodox one ) of his father or grandfather. This way happen everywhere ( e.x. in England > Tom-son, Garry-son etc...).
I want , just to say , that if there are ortodox surnames in Himara, its because of hundred year of existion of the orthodox religion.
But the problem here has been as always as 200 hundred years ago : that people that are orthodox are greeks. Greeks haven existed before 1829.

In south Italy, there are thousand of people , orthodox ones, that have churches with greek leters, but say they are Albanian and speak albanian. People around them say they are greek ( bcz in centuries the orthodox people was called greek , as latin the catholic ones ).
Many of them came from south Greece, Pelopones, and thanks God they are still alive , bcz if they werent, greeks would say : they came from greece, had greek leters and so they are exclusivly Greeks.........
The orthodox religion destoyed every national form...all were orthodox, the others were latin, barbars or arabs.

What to say....anyway i'm going to say to this Himariots that their surname was changed with force, may be they understand it ( after 17 years ) and come in greece to request a better pension. I think to ask them for a percentual....They are good to make bussines with such things. The Mecenary way of living had made them good traders with their themselves.

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by akritas

Calm down TirAlb. Greek minority in Albanian estimated at least in 250.000 people included and those that immigrated in Greece. Albania authorities even they try to change the demography in the region by the settlement of North Albanians they failed because...

-The Greek investments
-The peacfully coorparation of the South Albanians with the remaning Greek element
-Most of them immigrated in Italy(primary).

20.000 people are only in Himara!!!

sorry akritas,but were did you heard of these north albanian settlers,never happened.20'000 is the total pop of himara half of them consider themselves albanians the other half call themselves greek but are Albanians as well.

[TirAlb]

...im calm!

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Hermes

This Miranda V. may be has right, but no one in Himara say that s.mone had changed their surname. Also they had those surnames before Comunisem. I had seen land documents ( called Tapi ) of year 1926 with such surnames. Strange that the writer know it and Himara people not. Booo...may be exsist any document about it, but i'm sure not. The prove of this are the several defters where is wrote each head family name and surname.

There too much " Illyrians " in Himara boys, u cant say all those had been obligated to change surname.
Now, watching it in a point of view : if there are so much Ilyrians, and there are some other orthodox, we simply can thjink it. They are orthodox and its normal that to their children they put orthodox names....if there are too many houses of the same surname ( that compone the FARA ) someone in a way or an other take as surname the name ( orthodox one ) of his father or grandfather. This way happen everywhere ( e.x. in England > Tom-son, Garry-son etc...).
I want , just to say , that if there are ortodox surnames in Himara, its because of hundred year of existion of the orthodox religion.
But the problem here has been as always as 200 hundred years ago : that people that are orthodox are greeks. Greeks haven existed before 1829.

In south Italy, there are thousand of people , orthodox ones, that have churches with greek leters, but say they are Albanian and speak albanian. People around them say they are greek ( bcz in centuries the orthodox people was called greek , as latin the catholic ones ).
Many of them came from south Greece, Pelopones, and thanks God they are still alive , bcz if they werent, greeks would say : they came from greece, had greek leters and so they are exclusivly Greeks.........
The orthodox religion destoyed every national form...all were orthodox, the others were latin, barbars or arabs.

What to say....anyway i'm going to say to this Himariots that their surname was changed with force, may be they understand it ( after 17 years ) and come in greece to request a better pension. I think to ask them for a percentual....They are good to make bussines with such things. The Mecenary way of living had made them good traders with their themselves.

In italy there are also the descendants of the many himariot that went there after Scanderbegs death,and they speak and consider themselves Albanians!

[akritas]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

sorry akritas,but were did you heard of these north albanian settlers,never happened.20'000 is the total pop of himara half of them consider themselves albanians the other half call themselves greek but are Albanians as well.

I reading the news TirAlb.News that came primarily from the North Epirots that are organized and the most important they dont hear nationalistic voices. E.g. in this link you can talk with them if you know Greek . The 20.000 is the estimation of the Mayor as and the General Secretary of the Himara Union without the immigrants.North Epirots are Albanian citizens as well and they love theirs home and this is the reason that they invest in Albania.But.....we know that we live in the Balkans.

[olvios]

That is freedom for Northern Epirus and the least we could do after these

Albania: From Anarchy to a Balkan IdentityISBN 1850652791,by Miranda Vickers & James Pettifer, 1999,page 190,"When ethnic Greeks were caught attempting to escape to Greece,penalties were severe for the actual offender execution was common and his whole family might be condemned in internal exile for many years usually in the mining camps of northern and central albania"

" under communism, pupils were taught only Albanian history and culture, even in Greek-language classes at the primary level."