...utube video about Himara

[Makedonia25]

Originally Posted by Morphesau

They are working together and know the truth.

Is why I know you folks on message boards do
not represent the main stream Albanians who
are decent folks.

Many more I could underline, many more.
So enough of this UCK propagandas

Actually, you would be surprised.. I know a couple of Albanians who are quite educated, and they STILL believe in this type of propaganda.. Quite sad actually.. If they were uneducated, you could excuse them.. But not if they are educated!

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by Makedonia25

Actually, you would be surprised.. I know a couple of Albanians who are quite educated, and they STILL believe in this type of propaganda.. Quite sad actually.. If they were uneducated, you could excuse them.. But not if they are educated!

And what about educated greeks,do they believe this propaganda:

Georgios Kastriotis was a Greek Epirotis Prince and his Mother was a Serb how does that make him Albanian ? Even the Flag you use is a Greek Byzantium war flag......Used by Georgios Kastriotis.

Your flag before 1913 was similar to the Turkish flag.

What about the part about bollano and the himariots,or you are not interested since you are macedonian and not epirote?

[Hermes]

When i was in Himara, during the elections of 2007, i saw the list of the names of the voters there. There were too many Nikaj, Kokaveshi, Zotaj etc etc etc....as surnames. Spoke with one Kokaveshi, and asked him why u , that claim to be a greek have an albanian surname? He was not clear but tried to explain that albanian is a new language and has no join with their surnames........." booo, come and understand this...anyway...he was an ignorant ( not to ofend him, but the he thought) It was clear that greek propaganda and the money he get are enough to make him say that.

Himara has been for too much time isolated, ( dont know to explain ) but there are too much persons with native illness, not able to be indipendent ( dont know how are called those illness). It sure, that these persons cant be taken in Greece when the family works like emigrants. So to take care of them in Himara is expensive and hard to do. Greek pensions are very useful for these families, especially the privilege to pass borders anytime they need to be cured in hospitals. Also old persons take a special pension. These reasons and the fluent propaganda make Himara people to say that the surnames Kokaveshi etc arent albanian, but strange words that have nothing to do with it.

[olvios]

Yeah right..............Albanisation of the Greeks and "illyrisation" of everyone in Albania is the only fact

ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated

From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.

[TirAlb]

Originally Posted by olvios

Yeah right..............Albanisation of the Greeks and "illyrisation" of everyone in Albania is the only fact

ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated

From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.

olvios you should put that quote directly on your signature,i have seen it tons of times.

But hundred years old surnames have nothing in common with this communist era list.

[Morphesau]

TO FURTHER EXPOUND ON THE ILLYRIAN ALBANIAN ISSUE OF CULTURE & LINGUISTICS I WILL PROVIDE A QUOTE FROM YOUR OWN ALBANIAN SCHOLARS. THE FACT REMAINS UNTIL FURTHER EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED THAT THE CLOSEST TRUTH IS THAT THE ALBANIANS ENTERED THE BALKANS VIA THE CASPIAN SEA FROM ASIA AS HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY MANY HISTORIANS. There is an Illyrian myth, with which Albanian culture has been flirting for at least 150 years, and as a myth it can't be questioned (for it has all the answers). There is also a very tentative Illyrian science, based mainly on archaeology, and on some data transmitted by Ancient Greek and Latin Historians.

These inscriptions, being totally alien to Albanian, show that the Illyrian question is extremely complicated, and that it isn't likely to be resolved, unless fundamental epigraphic discoveries are made.


The great Illyrologist Hans Krahe himself was no supporter of the Illyrian theory about the origin of Albanians. In his late years he came to understand that most of his paleolinguistic theories were generally wrong. Krahe started by finding Illyrian traces everywhere in Europe, but then it was made clear that all he had found were Indo-European traces -- and nobody had any doubt that Indo-European tribes had been in Europe for a long many years.


Onomastics is of no great help in settling linguistic and ethnogenetic issues. Let's have a look at some important place names in Albanian territories, like Dajti, Shkodra, Durresi, Vlora, Burreli, Drini, Shkumbini, Tirana, etc. Are they Albanian? We can't say that, for there are no Albanian words that would explain them (as we explain, for example, Kruja with "krue" - fountain).


This might well be true, but seems pathetic in front of the fact that we can't explain through Albanian words the place names we currently use, let alone the Illyrian ones. So what?


Let's move up in time, and reach the Middle Ages. In the Middle Ages the Albanians were somewhere there, though their first mention is in the 11th century (or 12th, I'm not sure). Where were they living? Where are the places they have named after their common words (technically called appellatives)? The south is full -- literally full -- of Slavic place names, especially the areas of Vlora, Tepelena, Skrapar, Mallakaster, Gramsh, Cermenike, Moker, Korce, Erseke.


My personal opinion is that the issue of Albanians descending or not from Illyrians doesn't deserve the interest it has traditionally aroused. There is absolutely NO Illyrian cultural legacy among Albanians today. In a certain sense, Illyrians (with their less fortunate fellows, the Pelasgians) are a pure creation of Albanian romanticism.


Ardian Vebiu
Albanian historian

[TirAlb]

oh,Ardian Vehbiu,again...

Don't put illyrians in this mess,we are speaking about himara.

[Morphesau]

Your right. My fault.

Back to the discussion.
'Chameria' (what is taught in Albanian schoolbooks), or Epirus as it is known to the rest of us, is actually half-occupied by Albania, seeing as southern Epirus was occupied predominantly by Greek populations which have spent the last six centuries as the subjects of an Albanian national hobby: slapping-around-Greeks. Greeks have been oppressed in Northern Epirus of at least a century, and the remaining 250,000 Greek souls still living in the North of Epirus currently occupied by Albania (given that Greece seceded this territory to Italy and Germany during WWII, which Greece had won), current South Albania, have NEVER been paid out compensation by ANY Albanian government for the maltreatment they've faced. They deserve to. And so does northern Epirus (as it has been known 6000+ years).

For factual information, please, do refer to the Encyclopaedia , that's what it's there for!!!!

[Morphesau]

Originally Posted by TirAlb

oh,Ardian Vehbiu,again...

But hi hi hi you ignore even a Parthenon column smacked you right in the face if it doesn't agree with you.

[Victor]

NOrthern Epirus should unilaterally declare independance from Albania.