Northern Epirus

[helios]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

byron is clear

Byron's 'Letters and Journals' Volume 1: 12 November 1809, PREVESA - ALBANIALetter to his Mother

My Dear Mother, I have been some time in Turkey: this place is on the coast, but I have traversed the interior of the province of Albania on the visit to the Pascha. I left Malta ... on the 21st of September and arrived in eight days at Prevesa. I thence have been about 150 miles, as far as Tepeleen, his Highness's country palace, where I stayed three days. The name of the Pascha is Ali and he is considered a man of the first abilities: he governs the whole of Albania (the ancient Illyricum), Epirus, and part of Macedonia. His son Vely pascha ... governs Morea, and has great influence in Egypt ... .

When I reached Yanina, the capital, after a journey of three days over the mountains, through a country of the most picturesque beauty, I found that Ali Pascha was in Illyricum ... He had heard that an Englishman of rank was in his dominions, and had left orders in Yanina with the comandant to provide a house, and supply me with every kind of necesseties, gratis ... I have not been permitted to pay for a single article of household consumption... (page 275)
I shall never forget entering Tepeleen ... The Albanians, in their dresses (the most magnificient in the world, consisting of a long white kilt, gold-worked cloak, crimson velvet gold-laced jacket and waistcoat, silver-mounted pistols and daggers)...
The next day I was introduced to Ali Pascha (p.276), his highness is sixty years old, very fat, and not tall, but with a fine face, light blue eyes, and a white beard; his manner is very kind ... he called my Albanian soldier who attends me, and told him to protect me at all hazard; his name is Veseliu, and, like all the Albanians, he is brave, rigidly honest, and faithful; but they are cruel, though not treacherous, and have several vices but no meannesses. They are, perhaps, the most beautiful race, in point of countenance, in the world... (p.277)
I could tell you I know not how many incidents that I think would amuse you, but they crowd on my mind as much as they would swell my paper, and I can neither arrange them in the one nor put them down on the other, except in the greatest confusion. I like the Albanians much; they are not all Turks, some tribes are Christians. But their religion makes little difference in their manner or conduct... I lived on my route, two days at once, and three days again, in a barrack at Salora ..., I have had nothing stolen, and was always welcome to their provision and milk. Not a week ago an Albanian chief ... after helping us out of the Turkish galley, feeding us, and lodging my suite, consisting of Fletcher, a Greek, two Athenians, a Greek priest and my companion, Mr. Hobhouse, refused any compensation ... and when I pressed him to accept a few sequins, 'No', he replied; 'I wish you to love me, not to pay me'. These are his words (p.279).

[Grace]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

The Question of Northern Epirus at the Peace Conference - Page 73
by Nicholas J. Cassavetes - Eastern question (Balkan) - 1919

A Greek guy writes a book, it must be true. You should focus on defending "Aegean Macedonia" if conflict ever starts. You must insane to think that you can take exactly 50% of Albania.

Plus, if a village gets upset at Greece, they cannot join Turkey, can they? Nope, give them visas and let them leave. Kosova was very, very different. It was a province, they had been separated for ages, and you had 90% of people in apartheid and then ethnically cleansed along with rapes, murders, house burnings etc

[chicagogeorge]

^^

If he is Greek does that make him automatically factually incorrect or biased? At any point, aside from Cassavettes, EVERY OTHER author I posted was a westerner.

Btw, Cassavettes was a scholar from Oxford who helped work on establishing the League of Nations.

http://www.indiana.edu/~league/bibc.htm



As for taking 50% of Albania you must be insane to think that is what I am proposing in any way shape or form. Greeks haven't expanded their borders since WWII, while there recently been a second Albanian state created in the Balkans. I only post historical arguments demonstrating that Southern Albanian had a large population who considered themselves Greek, and still do to this day. As for Macedonia, no conflict will ever start. Borders have been drawn that are permanent. Not to mention that there are as many people in Thessaloniki as there are Slavo Makedonskians in all of FYROM.

[Grace]

Look at this George: Your Church leader, the most powerful man in Greece:
http://www.sfeva.gr/active.aspx?mode=en{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}View

I answered Kosova on the previous post.

>> Greeks haven't expanded their borders since WWII

do you want a medal ? You took enough before, more than enough actually and now you have to be armed to the teeth to defend it.

[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by Grace

Look at this George: Your Church leader, the most powerful man in Greece:
http://www.sfeva.gr/active.aspx?mode=en{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}View

Am I supposed to copy and paste that link?

I answered Kosova on the previous post.

and Chameria and Tetovo.....

>> Greeks haven't expanded their borders since WWII

do you want a medal ?

Yes

You took enough before, more than enough actually

We took what was always ours, however not more than enough as 40% of Greeks lived outside the borders of Greece before 1923.

and now you have to be armed to the teeth to defend it.

Of course Greece has to be armed when surrounded by countries that always are claiming her lands.

[Grace]

http://www.sfeva.gr/

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by Grace

Look at this George: Your Church leader, the most powerful man in Greece:
http://www.sfeva.gr

I can't help but notice your fixation with religion...
Anyway, AGAIN!!!! you prove that you don't know what you're talking about.
The bishop Sevastianos was the individual that formed SFEVA, he's no church leader and certainly not the most powerful man in Hellas, actually when alive, wouldn't even be in the list with the 500.000.

do you want a medal ? You took enough before, more than enough actually and now you have to be armed to the teeth to defend it.

Does this mean that you believe you're or ever will be capable of taking something from us?

[helios]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

Does this mean that you believe you're or ever will be capable of taking something from us?

No we will not take anything that is yours but ours.
Our return would be like Heraclides return but without killing nobody.

[Orphic_Hymn]

Originally Posted by helios

No we will not take anything that is yours but ours.
Our return would be like Heraclides return but without killing nobody.

Oh so "yours"... something purely "yours" like how you connect yourselves to "your" mythology.. right?

[helios]

Originally Posted by Orphic_Hymn

Oh so "yours"... something purely "yours" like how you connect yourselves to "your" mythology.. right?

The Mythology is all yours, you adoppted it as an accurate written HISTORY.