Threat to Epirus

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

I don't know about you guys, but I don't have any anomosity towards Albanians (nor Skops for that matter). What I do have a problem with is the appropriation of culture, history and of course, ultimately land.

I am unware of the credibilty of this site, but I have no reason at this point to question it. Please take a look around at this page (and all of them) and comment. I am very concerned that our ALbanian neighbours have a visionof a greater ALbania that includes Hellas, or parts of Hellas.

http://www.geocities.com/northepirus/threat1.html

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

Has anyone read any of this stuff? Pretty intense.

[pankration]

I went to the site and I too was somewhat concerned by the news set forth there. I don't doubt that Albania has an expansionist philosophy and I do believe they will look for an opportunity in Greece or Kosovo or even FYROM. We should not take this lightly.

However, before we panic we're talking about Albania, easily the most backward socially, primitive technically and politically troubled nation in Europe. These people couldn't herd sheep effectively. Could they harass the Greeks? Sure. But if Greece was willing to fight a nation like Turkey over Cyprus what would it take to send the Albanians back to the caves that they haven't been long out of. Albania is going nowhere and as long as the fiercely repressive government keeps it people down it will not present a threat to Greece.

But to our friends and families in Greece...matia anikta!

[romanos]

Albanians are on the bottom of my concerns. Perhaps we should reconsider the "anadelphon" philosophy on the Balkans and the threats everywhere.
We talk about our Northern Epirot brothers and they go crazy because fear. They hope Albanians outbreed Bulgarians in FYROM so that they won't have a new enemy just like Serbia.
If they do a malakia in Greece they get worst punishment by Greek society and discrimintaion. That damages themselves, and we damage our image too. Our fathers were not xestides on one hand and not racists on the other. Ofcourse racial jokes is another think, we do them for ourselves as well. If they wont to become a Turkish protectorate i don't care, they won't create any friends that way.

We should have eyes open, but not make a whole topic about it. That's phobic and i hate phobias.
cheers.

[HellenicPride]

The Albanians reproduce rapidly. In the skopjia the Albanians are beginning to become the majority. The skopjiani themselves are worried about the Albanians because they saw happen in Kosovo with the KLA and they are worried the same is going to happen their. Albanians definately have expansion on their minds. Already the claim a few of our Greek heroes during our War of Independence. To me the Albanians will never be a major threat because they are still very primitive. I still think though that they need to be kept in check because they can be a nuisance. Look at whats happeing in Serbia the churches they burn down and murders that they commit. Obviously not all Albanians are like that its moslty the Albanian Muslims. That site looks like its just making it known about the issues regarding Albania. Its a possibility that might attempt expansion especially in Epirus but like I mentioned I seriously doubt they can do any real harm.

Visit these links below if you question what I say about the church burning.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/pogrom.html

http://www.serbianna.com/

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

My position does not include hating the Albanians. My concerns are that our culture and history are yet again being appropriated. Many of the Albanian postions arrogantly state we are taking their land, history, culture and historical figures. I do not take this lightly. This coupled with the fact of massive immigration to Epiros, indeed to all of Greece, and we have a growing concern. My solution does not include rounding up Albanians and brow beating them, however, we have to be aware and not be slly apologists. Their tactic to more to an area in huge numbers and reproduce is very smart in ways to be honest, but catastrophic for us if we allow this to continue.

Romans, I do see your perspective, and very much take it into account, but I feel that we ahve to be open an honest about it, and this does not mean arrogant and intolerant, even though political opponents will try to make it that way.

[romanos]

As long as they keep having expansionistic dreams, reproducing is futile. You have to use your brains. Rabbits reproduce fast, but they are a easy pray for the wolf.

Well, some points from me:

Bulgarians have territorial claims to Skopians (mostly)
Serbians have territorial claim on Albanians.
Albanians have territorial claims on Skopians (Kosovars have claim on them too...........)
Skopians have territorial claims on Bulgarians
Skopians have territorial claims on Greeks
Skopians have territorial claims on Albanians
Albanians have territorial claims on Serbs
Albanians have territorial claims on Montenegrins.
Albanians have territorial claims on Greeks.
Greeks have territorial claims on Albanians
Greeks have territorial claims on Turks

Some Albanians demonise the rest, in order to ease the impact their "dreams" have on other nations. I accept many countries have treated them badly, but they generalise too much to take them seriously into account. If the rest take these claim seriously, Albanians are left all alone (they have claims on other countries as well).

Already the claim a few of our Greek heroes during our War of Independence.

I suggest not judging the 200 year old past with todays circumstances. Indeed, a lot of the liberated Greece heroes were Albanian speaking, and to be more precise Arvanit language. Yes, many were Arvanites, and connected to Albanians. They still are, some openly accept it, others not, because they know we are not in western europe, where such things are said easily without the other party going to claim anything. It's a big issue, but i don't really get pissed off if i see such things. What certainly angries me is their land claims. In fact, there is a quote about it:
"What comes around, comes around".
Now they are on the claim position, tommorow they might be in the defending position maybe.
In general i have a good opinion of them, as a people. Unfortunatelly, most are terrible posters and can't do an arguement without stupid comments, they may be unaware they make.

Concerning culture appropriation i'm against it. They can use freely the richness, as all europeans, as long as they respect it's source.

cheers

[PhiliptheUniterchaeronea]

I'll be honest. I am extremely concerned.

[Grace]

Originally Posted by HellenicPride

Visit these links below if you question what I say about the church burning.

http://www.spc.org.yu/Vesti-2004/pogrom.html

http://www.serbianna.com/

and Serbs burned every Croatian Catholic Church, every mosque, every library and every Albanian historical building. How did those old churches survived for 100's of years if Albanians were "extremists"?
Even in 1920's despite all the crap that Serbs did, still the code was not to touch civilians and "No rebel will dare to burn down a house or destroy a church" http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oy+a+church%22