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Old 06-19-2008, 03:12 PM
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Modern Greek is the direct ancestor of ancient Greek whether you like it or not
If so you must be dead now.
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Old 06-19-2008, 05:08 PM
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If so you must be dead now.
Since I know the modern Greek language, I can also understand some ancient Greek. It is a direct descendant of it. The language today of course has changed, but not as much as say Shakespearian English has changed from modern English, in a much shorter time span.





Albanian has nothing to do with ancient Greek. Sorry

The Modern Greek Language in Its Relation to Ancient Greek
By Edmund Martin Geldart


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Old 06-19-2008, 05:31 PM
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as for you motershkerdhyer:

Strabo 008.001.002

the Dorians too, since they were few in number and lived in a most rugged country, have, because of their lack of intercourse with others, changed their speech and their other customs to the extent that they are no longer a part of the same tribe as before. And this was precisely the case with the Athenians
So little one, after your continuous selective quotations, you know start posting insults that you'd never dare utter in front of me (for those interested look at insultmonger's thesaurus) in your own grunt since you can't handle facing reality, which is that your unhistoric claims, which are driven by your inferiority complex, are continuously being trashed !!!!
While I'd honestly love to see your sorry arse banned, I'm a sucker for fools like you so I'll let it pass this time.

Many thnaks to chicagogeorge for wasting his valuable time to teach you history while I was out drinking retsina and watching the match.
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Old 06-19-2008, 06:31 PM
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How many words you know in Albanian?
What is the meaning of
trushplaremendjepjerdhur
I know none. That's why I read what linguists have to say on the matter.



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If you say so , you must have been there hearing them.
I didn't have to be there hearing them. I could read the inscriptions that they left behind. Something you cannot do!


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The Dorians changed their speech and their other customs to the extent that they are no longer a part of the same tribe as before..
that means that they adopted another language or another Pelasgian dialect and possibly the Danaic an Egyptian-semitic idiom.
Are you reading the same Strabo as I am? Where in the world does he mention that Dorians adopted Pelasgian Danaic or Egyptian from the passage that we both quoted? (Me in it's entirety, and you selectively)
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Old 06-19-2008, 09:27 PM
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So little one, after your continuous selective quotations, you know start posting insults that you'd never dare utter in front of me (for those interested look at insultmonger's thesaurus) in your own grunt since you can't handle facing reality, which is that your unhistoric claims, which are driven by your inferiority complex, are continuously being trashed !!!!.
Yeah its just a little passage but breaks down all your barking



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While I'd honestly love to see your sorry arse banned, I'm a sucker for fools like you so I'll let it pass this time..
I know I know you are toooo desperate thats why.


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Many thnaks to chicagogeorge for wasting his valuable time to teach you history while I was out drinking retsina and watching the match.
I will never offend chicagogeorge because his attitude is different from yours.
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Old 06-19-2008, 09:44 PM
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I know none. That's why I read what linguists have to say on the matter.
Show me a linguist who knows both Albanian and Illyrian and says that Albanian doesnt come from the Illyrian.

Just one.
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Old 06-19-2008, 10:11 PM
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Show me a linguist who knows both Albanian and Illyrian and says that Albanian doesnt come from the Illyrian.

Just one.


You do realize that Albanian is a Centum language and Illyrian is a Satem right? That alone throws a monkey wrench into the direct relationship of the two. This is why the alternative theory of a Illyrian/Dacian mix is proposed.
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Yeah its just a little passage but breaks down all your barking
What passage are you talking about?
Do you actually understand what you're quoting?

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I know I know you are toooo desperate thats why.
Desperate?
Nah, I simply know that your one of albania.com's top inferiority complexed fools, so I'd love to see all your trash theories taken apart. Its that simple really.

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I will never offend chicagogeorge because his attitude is different from yours.
Attitude?
All I'll just say is that based on the you crap posted, the attitude that should change is yours.

Now lets try to get back on topic and read some more of your unhistoric claims.
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I have many swift arrows in the quiver under my arm, arrows that speak to the initiated while the masses need interpreters.
The man who knows a great deal by nature is truly skillful, while those who have only learned chatter with raucous and indiscriminate tongues in vain, like crows.. against the divine bird of Zeus.

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Old 06-19-2008, 11:24 PM
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Lets not mix threads. This is about the Souliotes. Here is a book from 1856 by
Archibald Alison.


It is clear that the inhabitants who were known as the Souliotes were Greek speaking and had Greek sentiments as they fought for Greek independence.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Qjp...ient=firefox-a


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Old 06-20-2008, 07:54 AM
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You do realize that Albanian is a Centum language and Illyrian is a Satem right? That alone throws a monkey wrench into the direct relationship of the two. This is why the alternative theory of a Illyrian/Dacian mix is proposed.
What Centum and Satem you are talking about?
Wasnt you saying that we have saved so little from Illyrian that it is impossible to determine if it is Albanian or not?
Now how could you determine it is Centum if you have so less iformation available.?
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